Aloha from Maui,
I wanted to introduce myself and say Aloha! I just purchased a 1977 Compac 16. It's my 6th or 7th sailboat. Previously I owned a catalina 27, Westsail 28, Cal 20, Hobie adventure Island and a few sailing outrigger canoes I built.
It came w/ am 8hp Mercury 2 stroke, which works but is about 70 lbs and stinky. I plan to replace it with a 6 hp Tohatsu Sailmaster 25" shaft, I also have a 2 hp Honda Im rebuilding, which will be my backup. Normally I wouldn't need a backup, as your outboard generally is your backup and sails are your primary....but the narrow channels, reefs and flukey to ridiculous winds make sailing in to the launch ramp not an option...usually the ramp has a strong surge from waves also.
Hawaii seems like a perfect place for boating, but in fact its not. The winds can go from zero to 50 very fast..and so can the swell. 25 mph and 10' swell is totally normal. A day of fun can turn into life and death here since the nearest land is thousands of miles away.vBut, I feel like the compac 16 is the safest thing for its size that I can find..and it fits in my condo parking stall, which was #2 priority...(Actually, it's the only Compac 16 on Maui that I know of).
I wanted this boat because I love sailing, but I love fishing even more which is very productive here by trolling. In order to catch Ahi (Tuna), Mahi and ONO (wahoo) you need to be going a certain speed, which is more than this boat, but hull speed on a Compac will do the trick if I use slower lures. I hope that a 6hp XL will be the best solution between speed, swell, wind & safety. I need to go fairly long distances to the good grounds, 20 miles or so, so a reliable motor is a must. It's always bumpy and the wind swell is usually a huge issue making the boat hobby horse going into the swell, so I feel that the Tohatsu 6hp XL 25" would stay in the water best. A bigger boat, probably a power boat, is better suited but the Waitlist at the 2 harbors we have are 30 years+....And Im not a power boat kinda dude anyways.
I want to say thank you to everyone posting on this site. I've been reading the forum extensively and I am thankful for all the input people have given...it's helping me figure out my next steps. I enjoy reading peoples stories and and experiences. Any more input on rough conditions would be welcomed. I hope all of you are on the water soon, when the weather warms up in the mainland for many- Aloha
Daniel
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HI Daniel and welcome! If my memory serves me well (?) you may be the first guy from Hawaii to join here. We look forward to your contributions and photos. Any name for the boat?
Bob23
Thanks for the welcome Bob! It's funny you mention the name because it's been on my mind all day. The boat's name is "Annie" which isn't terrible...but I want to change it. I had an ex girlfriend named Annie that wasn't so great...and I recently sold my house to a lady named Annie, who nickel and dimed me for everything possible and imaginable. I have read through many people's name changing theories and I feel like I need to do it respectfully and somewhat formal with a good dose of descent bubbly....maybe rum. I don't want to be on the bad side of the ocean here. I've tried to find how the Hawaiian's do it but I was told that back in canoe days they would just destroy the boat rather than rename it... so I'm gonna track down some local fisherman I know and ask them how they go about it. Looking forward to a few projects and making the boat as safe and easy to use as possible...so that it does get used as often as possible.
Yeah, definitely ditch the name Annie! As far as name changing, you should be able to find something online. Over here on the East coast of the mainland, as you islanders call us, one method was to row around the boat counter clockwise twice whilst pouring a bit of your favorite libation into the sea as an offering. Me, I'm not superstitious at all but I still performed said ritual anyway.
Rum. On the subject: Any unusual rums available over there? Pussers? Gosslings? Kraken? Back East here, I've tracked down a rum made in of all places Newfoundland called "Newfy's
Screetch" Quite nice, indeed.
Well, keep up posted on your adventures on land and off with your 16! And welcome!
Bob23 and 1985 CP 23/2 "Koinonia" on the NJ coast.
i just wonder how a cp16 made it to maui. i bet the hutchin brothers would love to know
oh yeah, post some pictures if you can, even though it bothers some of us caught in the cold grip of winter.
WOW.......have been to a few places on planet earth and Maui is the only place I would return in a second, you are one blessed seadog, also would love to know how a Com Pac 16 got to Maui ( probably on a frighter) if not would have been quite a sail .................nies
Welcome and Aloha! :) Here is a good renaming ceremony. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/rename.htm As a Hawaiian you might want to add a exhortation to some of the appropriate old Hawaiian gods just for good measure ;D
Thanks everyone for your welcome and comments. I'm definitely getting rid of the name and I guess it's not the original name anyways, so I don't feel so bad about it... Gonna go with something classy, still working on that. I'll come up with a respectful way to clear the ledger of her name, with a Hawaiian twist.
I'm guessing the boat made it over here a while back since the guy I bought it from has had it for about ten years and he dug it out of the jungle at some other guys yard and fixed it up. Shipping here costs more than the boats worth, except it's probably the only one which makes it kinda valuable. There just aren't hardly any trailer sailboats here.
Bob, there is starting to be a rum thing here recently, since there is still a sugar cane industry on Maui. There's Sammy Hagar's beach bar rum and, kauai rum and I think even a few others starting up....Ill check next time I go to the liquor store.
I started working on a trailer extension today, but found a dead end....no one has 2 1/2" square box tubing thats galvanized on Maui.....yes it's that small (the island)....So either gonna go with aluminum (only 1/8" thick though) or wait...only need a 7' piece to slide into the 3" square tubing which makes the tongue.
I tried uploading photos but couldnt figure it out...there's a insert image, but no attach image that I could find....its just me I'm sure.
Also, I know winter must be a kinda torturous time to think about boating for many of you....but at least it's a great time to work on some projects, get things ready and plan what Spring and summer will bring! Over here it's a different kind of torture since most of us work way too much and live in apartments or condos where we can't ever get anything done....so a lot of boats just sit and rot in place with the lure of sailing outside.....thats unless you have $$$$. But, I guess if you had $$$ we probably wouldn't have a 16' yacht....well I think I would actually
About a million years ago, Small Craft Advisor did an article where a sailor piloted his CP-19 from California to Hawaii.
The boat came back on a freighter. The sailor ? An aeroplane? Don't remember.
I think I remember something about entering the Island's harbor was the most dangerous segment of the trip.
skip.
There is/was a Montgomery 15 there also - sailed from CA
Id like to meet up with the montgomery owner, those are pretty awesome boats too....theyve done some epic stuff.....Thanks for the lead, if they're here I'll prolly rin int
ooops, laptop is twitchy....run into them, the M-15 owners.....
Sold my 2 stroke 8 hp tonight....yes! Thing worked but was old and smelly and I'm over old motors that are hard to find parts for. Sold it for $400. which was a bit less than I wanted, but its gone ...part of having a small boat I think is dialing it in w good stuff, not old questionable stuff.... SMall boats are not only small by length, but by volume and price...I'm very Buddhist at heart, which is all about not stressing and happiness. Id rather save up a grand or 2 over several months, and not stress over small stuff.. The whole point is fun and if you're not having that then its take up a different hobby like TV or whatever...Tohatsu sail-pro 6 here we come!
I got the boat for $1900....so I guess Im at $1500 w/no motor...Not bad since its cherry, on a trailer and it's on an island, my island....not even the main island.
I was trying to make a trailer extension wih 2.5" square tube, slides into the existing 3"...simple enough...but no 2.5" on maui...friends gonna bring some from Hilo, on the big island.. What u would do w/out friends??? His boat is broke, so I guess were going fishing in mine when its ready!!!! His boat was my best boat ever, a friends one.... But I think this will work out even so!!!!
I opened up a photobucket acct, so I could show photos....here's a few. Boat had horses painted on before, still working on erasing them...Didn't quite fit my dream...maybe some Budweiser ones w/ the kewl feet...i dont know LOL- Aloha
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Welcome to the group, 16Maui. I really enjoyed reading your posts. And the pics, nice boat! I'm sure that the CP16 breathed a great sigh of relief upon the removal of that huge Merc 8 hp! I tried out a Honda 2.2 on my 16 and it worked really well. I can understand your desire for more hp since you'll be sailing in much rougher waters than I. Looking forward to hearing more from you in the beautiful state of Hawaii.
Marty K.
CP16 Pegasus
P.S. So far in the Philadelphia area, we've gotten over 60" of snow this season! :o Should make you feel real good.
Quote from: MKBLK on February 13, 2014, 04:13:20 PM
removal of that huge Merc 8 hp!
P.S. So far in the Philadelphia area, we've gotten over 60" of snow this season! :o Should make you feel real good.
YES, wrong engine for a CP16, but those 8hp Mercs were twins and had tons of power. When tuned, they ran like a top. i sold one off my Catalina 25 to get a Tohatsu 4s and was sorry I did
Marty,
"P.S. So far in the Philadelphia area, we've gotten over 60" of snow this season! Shocked Should make you feel real good."
Sounds like you're really in Buffalo>
16 Maui: you certainly have me thinking. I had planned to use my 1982 4 HP Johnson on my CP 16. It has few hours on it so I figured why not use it. In any event I got it out and tried to start it, but no go. So now I will need to go through the engine and rebuild things here and there. But I will probably be stressed that it won't start when I really need it.
So your point about spending the money and buying a new engine to reduce stress makes sense. Especially since I will mostly single handling and I am getting up in years.
Decisions, Decisions!
Anxious to know how your new engine performs on your boat.
Don't Panic
Don't Panic,
If you are interested in selling your 4hp Johnson, let me know...running or not I might be interested.
Thank you everyone for your responses...glad to know others are out there thinking about there boats and getting ready to have fun...which I think is the sole purpose of having such a small trailer sailor.
Marty- Thanks a lot, you're right the boat sighed relief I think and so did I...I tested the motor in a tub of water while selling it, and it turned the water black....I'm over 2 strokes though even if they're reliable.
If you're stressing over something w/ a boat, best to tackle the problem so it's long gone and work towards something that brings good thoughts and not fear and anxiety...otherwise your time on the water is wasted. The experience should be uplifting, not full of panic and worry!
Don't panic-...I really like this name, kinda sums it up.."Don't panic"...then pull off the cover and have someone else hold the spark plug while you pull the starter...If they drop it and say some bad words...Great, that means u have spark. Next step, take off the spark plug and spray a modest squirt of starter fluid in the hole where the plug was in. Put the plug back in snug, attach the wire on again and pull a few times....If it starts to go, that means the only thing that's wrong is probably your carburator/and or bad gas... Usually what happens is the slow jet in the carb plugs because its so small. You can pull it apart and poke it, or even just buy a new jet..or carb if u can find one at a good price and ur not one to dig that deep into mechanical mysteries. Seafoam and non-ethanol gas prevents this problem. Good luck! If you need help let me know.
I got parts for my 2 Hp Honda Short, gonna rebuild it Saturday, hopefully go out Monday (along w/my friends 4 hp yamaha) if the weather cooperates...and take some pics! The whales are off the hook here right now too.
Aloha Everyone
P.S-Don't panic.....if you get it running, sell it immediately. Unless you are very mechanical, and like working on old engines...sell it on craigslist and put the money towards a new motor. You'll prolly get a few hundred for it! A new 2.5 hp is less than 1k (which is a lot), but even if it lasts one season, even though some have 5 year warranties, is worth it in happiness and not-worrying... Just my thoughts
Tim - I just checked Buffalo's seasonal snowfall - 77" from November to February. We just got about 3" last night in addition to the 10" 2 days earlier, so, that makes us only about 5" behind Buffalo for the season!!! ::)
Marty K.
P.S. They're predicting another 3" for tomorrow!
Quote from: 16MAUI on February 13, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
P.S-Don't panic.....if you get it running, sell it immediately. Unless you are very mechanical, and like working on old engines...sell it on craigslist and put the money towards a new motor. You'll prolly get a few hundred for it! A new 2.5 hp is less than 1k (which is a lot), but even if it lasts one season, even though some have 5 year warranties, is worth it in happiness and not-worrying... Just my thoughts
No, sell it to me...:)
The AIR COOLED 2.3 Honda does not need an impeller, water intake, is NOT cooled by saltwater etc. It will move a CP 16 quite well. You could even use it (or the other one) for a back up. I love my CP16 and Honda combo. Will hit hull speed about 1/2 throttle and you can't go faster than hull speed even with an 8hp.
Exactly. I think you only need more power is you have really strong wind (you should be sailing with the that wind)...of course sometimes you need to maneuver in that wind, so more power will help that situation....or you have so much wind and swell, in my case, that you need the extra length for the motor to work correctly....6 hp is the smallest they sell the 25" in. For most of you, a 2-3 longshaft seems perfect. My 8 hit hull speed really fast, but hassling w that thing was a bust and probably makes it sail like $hit, even though I never tried since I just this boat and is new to me. Im gonna try a 4hp yamaha short, hopefully very, very soon...I'll see if how it works and let everyone know. All I know is the 2 hp Honda is super light and seems like it will work great for flat water. Stow and go is a plus too...Cant do that w a bigger motor, even the Tohatsu 6hp xxl would be tough. Ive had Honda products for a long time, and as a former mechanic...they are awesome!
I'd stick with long or extra long shaft. I had a Tohatsu 6 HP sail pro high thrust with 25" shaft and alternator - great motor but too much for a 16 CP.
I have a 90s Mariner long shaft 4 hp with reverse. I got it cheap on CL a couple years back, and was going to use it for a backup on my Catalina 25 (never ended up using it). I ended up using it on my inflatable.
It runs well, BUT, i never ran it more than a couple minutes from the dock to my mooring. Even though it pees strong, the block gets piping hot quickly (corroded water passages in block?).
Anybody in the NE want it cheap? I was going to tear it down, but its about 9 billionth on my to-do list.
Good advise. I got my 2 hp honda back together, new carb, new valve cover. Runs, but won't idle very well...runs better w/ choke on, w/ choke off needs to be throttled pretty high...not sure whats going on since its a brand new carb...Kinda a bummer. Maybe the 2 hp's don't idle low to begin with? I messed with the idle adjustment tryng to figure it out but, but it never got right. Stoked it runs and doesnt leak though. Hopefully someone knows the scoop on these.
Quote from: 16MAUI on February 15, 2014, 11:04:23 PM
Good advise. I got my 2 hp honda back together, new carb, new valve cover. Runs, but won't idle very well...runs better w/ choke on, w/ choke off needs to be throttled pretty high...not sure whats going on since its a brand new carb...Kinda a bummer. Maybe the 2 hp's don't idle low to begin with? I messed with the idle adjustment tryng to figure it out but, but it never got right. Stoked it runs and doesnt leak though. Hopefully someone knows the scoop on these.
If it runs better with the choke on than off that indicates an excessively lean fuel mixture.
Hondas come from the factory with EPA-compliant jet sizing so they will run lean enough to meet environmental certifications.
The jets on a 2 HP Honda are quite small such that a very small bit of crud can cause that condition.
My Honda 2 HP runs fine after it is warmed up but it can be a bit cold blooded atstart up.
You might try some Berryman fuel system cleaner of Sea Foam to dissolve any crud that may be there.
Crud forms when moisture from the air is absorbed into the ethanol in the modern automotive fuels.
The moisture causes corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system and, over time, it can separate from the fuel completely forming blobs of crud.
The ultimate solution is to only use non-ethanol "recreational" fuel so new crud won't form and your brass carb jets won't corrode.
Thanks Pacman, you're totally right. I just put a brand new carb on it and immediately its been off..but maybe i didnt clean the tank good thoroughly enough....Then again, Its on trailer and it hasnt had a real chance to just warm up...but its 75 outside, and it shouldnt need very long to warm up....Chainsaws/weedwackers usually only need a few seconds here. Id hate to pull apart a brand new carb...but maybe I should...those jets are almost unpokeable they're so small. Thanks again, and seafoam is awesome stuff.
Quote from: 16MAUI on February 21, 2014, 11:23:06 PM
Thanks Pacman, you're totally right. I just put a brand new carb on it and immediately its been off..but maybe i didnt clean the tank good thoroughly enough....Then again, Its on trailer and it hasnt had a real chance to just warm up...but its 75 outside, and it shouldnt need very long to warm up....Chainsaws/weedwackers usually only need a few seconds here. Id hate to pull apart a brand new carb...but maybe I should...those jets are almost unpokeable they're so small. Thanks again, and seafoam is awesome stuff.
I am at 11 feet above sea level on the Florida Gulf Coast we have high air density here that should be similar to the conditions where you live.
Greater air density means that there is more oxygen in a given volume of air than there would be at a higher altitude.
That worsens the EPA lean condition because the fuel/air mixture has more oxygen at lower altitudes but the jets pass the same amount of fuel regardless of altitude.
That said, if the stock jet is absolutely clean it should run OK when warmed up but the slightest bit of crud or corrosion will cause the lean condition.
Have you checked/cleaned the internal fuel filter? If you want to be double-safe you could install an in-line filter as a backup.
Crud is one thing - but moisture saturated ethanol-induced corrosion is another.
With such small jets, any corrosion will have deleterious effects so my #1 recommendation is to use only ethanol-free fuel.
I also add an ounce of synthetic 2-stroke oil to each gallon of fuel to keep the valve guides lubricated and reduce friction-related engine operating temperature.
The 2-stroke oil also seems to protect against corrosion in the fuel system.
Some of my friends think my adding 2-stroke oil is a waste of time. They call it "snake oil". The same thing with using ethanol-free fuel. They think it is too much hassle to go out of their way to buy ethanol-free fuel.
My only reply is that the science is on my side of that arguement and my motor runs when theirs sometimes don't.
Hope this helps.
I have a 2012 (brand new online) 2.5hp Suzuki 4 stk that lasted one year of my abuse, then started messin up....I then started carb cleaning, adjustment, replace fuel hoses, clean tank, replace filter etc....it never has returned to form.
So, I bought a new carb this winter for it (at least it was relatively cheap) and am going to put it on for the upcoming season.....I replaced and cleaned everything else, we'll seee...
Meanwhile, I have 3 older 2 stk small engines that run decent.
Go figure. Truly believe its the new lean, cheap carbs
I'll never give up on my old Nissan 8 hp 2 cylinder 2 stroke. Even after winter hibernation, she starts first pull. Never have any carb issues but I do use marine Stabil in my premium fuel. "Miss Nissan" pushes my 23 along just fine with power to spare in case of strong headwinds or tides.
I suppose that after she gives up the ghost, I'll get a Sailpro.
On my old Seapearl, I had a Tohatsu 3.5 hp 2 stroke. Another fine engine.
Bob23
My 16 has a Nissan 4hp. I use non ethanol, (getting hard to find in Pensacola). About two years ago, replaced the carb. Since then I drain the carburetor bowl after each sail. Sometimes because of weather or other factors, the duration between boating days can be more than expected. I think a drained carb is less likely to foul.
I'm no engine expert, but there are definitely two schools of thought on this. The shop that works on my outboard has shown me some horrific examples of gunked up carbs that happened because the owner drained the bowl dry, then the bit of remaining fuel dried to a sticky residue. They are definitely in favor of leaving fuel in the bowl at all times, but are also very strong on the need for stabilizer. These guys repair outboards every day so I've opted to follow their advice, and two years after they rebuilt my carb I have needed no further attention from them. I add marine Sta-Bil and Yamaha Ring Free to every tank. A couple of times a year I dump whatever fuel remains in my tank into the truck, and start over with a fresh batch.
Have not found a good source of non-ethanol in my area, so I take my chances with the regular stuff.
Wes
all this talk of outboard problems has got me wondering why on gods green earth my 1969 cruise and carry 2.7 hp air cooled weedeating outboard has never failed me in the 6 years i have had my 16. those who have witnessed it (thats you mike) cant seem to get over its awesome power and (quiet?) operation. sure its not pretty (looks like some kind of kitchen mixing device from the 50s) but that little bugger still works. never sees stabil and just gets regular pump gas. shame the epa keeps it off the market. go figure
...and my Harley has never failed me in 30 years, why cant they make an outboard! ;D
Thank you everyone for all your comments and advise, Im gonna remember them the next outboard i buy!
I am sad, although its the happiest day of my life, to say i sold my compac to a nice guy from Kona, Big Island hawaii, this morning.
I just couldn't keep the boat where Im at, let alone work on it, and this guy has a house and a young daughter that it will be really great for him to do some bonding with. I think the boat is better suited for there, with less crazy wind and swell.
I'm gonna send him a link and hopefully he'll be a new member, I appreciate everyone's help and input and I wish the best for everyone on this forum. He was ready to cross the alenuehaha channel ( one of the worst in the world possibly) tomorrow with little experience, and I think you'll see some kewl things from him to come.
Aloha, and thanks again for everything..These boats are special! I hope to get one another in the future, when I have more time and space to dial it in. The weather is going to epic soon, and everyone will be out! Forgetting about the hard winter of 2014 for many of you!
Daniel:
Sorry to see you leave...I've enjoyed your posts. Although your'e no longer a Compac owner, you are always welcomed to drop in from time to time.
Bob23
Rats.............................really sorry to see you go as MAUI is my most favorite place in the world and was looking forward to your adventures, with 4 feet of snow on the ground and -5 this a.m. and no end in sight sailing months away in Hayward,Wi................................good luck may God bless you .........................nies