I am recently a new owner of a 78 CP16. There is no manual and no ropes. Can someone please sned me a picture of how to rig the sheets through the pulleys. I have no clue.
We're in the same boat! I just bought a CP-16 ( I have minimal sailing experience) and am lost too. Thought I'd commiserate. :shock:
Guys,
Welcome to the club! The CP16 is a very forgiving and easy sailboat. There is a lot of information available about how to sail this boat. I would start with an internet resource with some great articles - http://www.ipass.net/sailboat/. These folks have both pictures and basic sailing information using the CP16 as their example. You can also see some great pictures on our own gallery.
If I were you I would take the time to get some sailing instruction - at least the basics. Understand the principles and basic sailing nomenclature.
The basic CP16 is a simple sloop rigged boat with a jib and mainsail. There are only a few primary lines. (there are no ropes on a sailboat :) The standing rigging- cables that hold the mast upright- are 5/32" stainless and connect to strips of stainless on both sides of the hull and at the bow. Halyards are the 1/4" lines ) that are used to raise and lower the mainsail and the jib. They attach to the "head" of the sail and are drawn up and down the mast. When the sails are raised most of the halyard is coiled below the mast or run to the cockpit.
There are two lines - called sheets - that are used to control the jib sail. One is secured to a cleat on the side opposite where the wind is blowing. The other is loose ready to be secured when trimming the sail when sailing in the opposite direction.
The final and very important line is the mainsail sheet, the line which controls the mainsail from the cockpit. A standard CP16 normally has the hardware for this mounted on the transum next to the rudder and going to the end of the boom.
Another source with basic diagrams is a CP16 manual that can be ordered for your boat from Hutchins, the boat manufacturer in Florida.
It's a good thing to read, but once you get the basics, the best teacher is your own boat.
Happy sailing.
nuts, I've looked all over that ipass link and don't see any diagrams involving the cp16 rigging at all...
went to go look at the hutchins site to order a manual for my '83 cp16, but what they're saying they have is a manual for the 16CB. hmm.... does this match my old boat?
more times than I can count now i've gone to google & google/images looking for all sorts of variations of "com-pac 16", no luck.
applesauce!
Guys,
Crbakdesign's advice is as good as you'll get verbally or written. Order the Robert burgess book HANDBOOK OF TRAILOR SAILING off the Hutchins website, I think it is in the accessories section. Most of the information is devoted to the comPac 16, 19, 23. rigging instructions are written and illustrated.
And who gave my colleague the tsk tsk? I gave him a good karma to make up for that slight.
Go to a marina and look at how sail boats are rigged. Ask someone at a sailboat shop to draw a diagram of the part you are wondering about.
If it works its probably right. If it isn't right its probably close and you can learn.
You aren't going to kill yourself if the sheets are threaded on the wrong side of the shroud or the mainsail halyard is on the port side.
Just get sailing, and remember the rudder is at the back of the boat and don't throw the anchor in unless you have a rope (rode) tied to it.
ah! the images on that site (ipass.net) are showing up again! great link, thank you crbakdesign. good verbal description you supplied too.
when you can take this pebble from my hand, you will be ready to see these advanced techniques (http://www.com-pacowners.com/4images/categories.php?cat_id=32&page=1), grasshopper.
ahHA. now that i'm a deck hand i can finally see what the karma mod actions are. i gave crbakdesign a - dun dun dun DA! - "Damn, you're good!" myself.... what a slight! that guy takes ten minutes out of what must be -it is so with everyone i know- a hectic schedule to provide a descriptive accounting, and he got a tsk?
here's a ferris bueler's teacher's, "wow".
i feel sorry for that person. obviously a CP owner, but weight like that has got to make the boat sag.
la pauvre fille...
BossHog, tinydancer,
i still don't know how it's supposed to be done.... but i have a guess after looking at pictures that i'd like to thunk people's noggins over, because none of the pictures ever shows the complete picture of how the main sheet is supposed to be rigged. i've already bought two books, i'm sick of buying things, i just want to sail.
together, maybe we'll figure it out.
here's how mine was set up as purchased:
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in the above pic you can see me looking pretty ill because their is very little wind, so my fiddle block, hanging there, bangs around my cockpit scratching up my beautiful eva. i hate that. the main sheet i'm holding there in my three fingered hand (but just barely). it goes through this fiddle block with a cam clutch (or whatever its called), up to a single wheel pulley attached to the mast, back down to the fiddle block and back up where it's tied off on the bottom of the pulley attached to the mast. the fiddle block is being held to the transom with a rope. the ends of that rope are going through two cam cleats on either side of my tiller. and it's not optimal because, like i said, when the wind is slack, so is my harken fiddle block there, and it's scratching up my boat.
okay, below, maybe this is how it is supposed to be done - but don't take my word for it! i haven't a clue what the heck i'm doing, as you may have picked up by now from some of my wierd nervous ticks. of course, that may be to chewing on lead pellet shot as a child...
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i think maybe this is more supposed to be how its done... who knows, it's a big secret. i'll just keep saving up my pennies until i have more money to throw to chance that i might get it right. if this is right, then i'll have to do away with the $120 harken fiddle block with cam cleat i guess, 'cause it don't fit in that picture.
happy independence day! save and protect our constitution - it is all that matters.
I sailed my CP 16 for the first time a few weeks ago and had a blast. It was only my second sailing lesion but I was actually able to go where I wanted to. Sometimes when
it was tacked just right it accelerated smoothly and quite fast. The heavy displacement hull kept good momentum through the tack. I did have a problem though that relates to rigging and BossHogg's questions. The main sheet which was replaced by the previous owner and is new, but it would not run through the rigging without the help of pushing on the boom, even in a brisk wind. I think the main sheet is too large a diameter. It is 3/8".
Does anyone know what the correct size should be? I have it threaded according to the
Com-Pac Handbook
go up to a boat shop and let them cut you a couple of inches off a couple of different sizes of line. take it out to the parking lot and give it a shot. that's what i'd do anyway, then maybe you have a better size that what someone might recommend.
I believe the lines on mine are 1/4 inch or 5/16 inch. The 3/8 sounds too big.
I have some photos I can send you, but I am lousy at posting them, but it looks like I may have gotten a couple on this site on page two of this post......................... Doug
(http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1662/3/99/94/25/64/0/64259499310_0_ALB.jpg)
The one on the right is the main and the one on the left over the compass is the jib.
(http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1662/3/99/5/69/46/0/46690599310_0_ALB.jpg)
Mainsheet tied off on right, up thru pully on boom, back down to pully on left, back up to boom and down to the mainsheet cam cleat.......... Hope you can see it.. Also Genoa and Jib cleat on track with blue sheet thru it set all way back........
Hope these post all right
Doug
Dusty, Thanks much.............. As noted in my previous post, I struggle with posting the photos, and the language description you posted was Greek to me. Good job, hope it works for the Boss...................... Weekend off coming up, hotter than blazes here, maybe I'll get out tomorrow before the big weekend traffic.............. Doug
i JUST SCANNED THE MANUAL FOR YOU (AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO MAY NEED IT).... HERE'S THE LINK:
DIAGRAM
http://www.com-pacowners.com/4images/details.php?image_id=649
ALSO A PIC OF MY RIG
http://www.com-pacowners.com/4images/details.php?image_id=307
HOPE THIS HELPS...
CHEERS
DALE
So if the mainsheet comes back through the fairlead and the camcleat, then what's the point of the block? Just for the becket to attach the mainsheet?
I've been running the mainsheet through the block to the fairlead and camcleat, but that's been pretty unsatisfactory because it doesn't flow smoothly.
The mainsheet should come back through the block with the becket (where it started) then through the fairlead and then the cam.
The block's purpose is to turn the line 90 degrees so that the fairlead does not have the force exerted on it. Fairleads should not be used to change direction with the kind of force that is applied by the boom.
I realize that in light winds it is not as smooth as it could be. This is do to the size of the sail and the amount of purchase that the CP16 has on the boom. Easy to adjust but the friction of the 1/4 inch line overcomes the force that the boom exerts in light winds.
How's that for clear as mud?
Take a look at the diagram. The sheet doesn't go through the block on its way to the fairlead. It's the same way in my manual.
I do lead it through the block and it tends to jam. I'm guessing that my problem is that my line is significantly thicker than 1/4 inch. But 1/4 inch sounds like it would be pretty tough on the hands.
I've been trying out different arrangements that leave more room at the becket so the sheet doesn't friction clutch itself. When I let out the sheet to spill a gust, I'm pretty interested in having the boom respond immediately without having to give it a good hard shove.
I looked at the diagram again, it is the same in my manual also. I believe however that the sheet has to make the turn through the block. I have trouble because the blocks on the transom tend to twist the mainsheet between the end of the boom and the blocks. This creates friction that hinders movement in light air.
I believe that 1/4 inch Sta-set is what is recommended on the site for the mainsheet. What size line are you using? Do you think there is enough clearance? The standard blocks on Sanctuary could probably handle 5/16, but any heavier would translate into a jam.
I think that there is enough purchase so that 1/4 is not to tough on the hands, but it is a little more difficult to get a comfortable grip on the line. My jibsheets are 5/16 and I would like them to be a little heavier.
Just my 2 cents.
I use 5/16th on both the main and jib. Sta set I believe, and it works fine. Easier to hold than 1/4 . . . my 2 cents!
I just looked at the images I put up and the Manual doesn't even show the swivel cam that most of us use (and which works great as opposed to the illustration from '88). The pic of my rig makes it difficult to see the cam in front of the swivel... so I put together another view... along with some variations that others have done... I think it was Tom Brackin... very cool.
anyway here's the link to the pic:
http://www.com-pacowners.com/4images/details.php?image_id=650
I use the thinner line as it runs better and I usually wear gloves just to keep from getting sun burned (I usually wear a long sleeve white shirt for the same reason)... so the thinner line doesn't bother me...
Went out sailing on Lake Ponchartrain yesterday afternoon till sunset... we're having the positive result of being on the west side of the storm... it's drawing cool dry air from the north. Sorry for the people on the coast though.
Re the storm Ernesto, I experienced it twice! I flew to Florida Tuesday afternoon for business. I weathered the storm in Orlando then I flew back to Philly yesterday afternoon in time to experience the storm again here in Pennsylvania. It was actually worse up here.
Hopefully it is going to clear out and we can sail Sunday and monday
Hi, Gil! Speaking of Ernesto, I ventured down to the marina today to check on "Patricia Lee", and I'm sure glad I did. The wind was blowing a steady 20 to 30 knots from the lake straight into the marina, and whitecapped waves of 1 to 2 feet were hitting the docks and boats. All the boats were being tossed around like toys - never saw it like that. The boat next to mine had broken loose at her starboard stern line, and she was crashing into my starboard stern with each wave! I re-tied her up as good as I could, but her lines were shot so I improvised. Luckily, "Patricia Lee" wasn't damaged at all, as far as I could see, and neither was my neighbors boat. "Patricia Lee"'s lines were fine and holding well - didn't have to make any adjustments. Noticed some other boats lines had broken or come un done and were crashing into other boats, so spent a bit trying to tie them up as best I could. Checked in on "Steppin Up", and she was rolling like the dickens, but her lines were holding well and she was riding out the storm well. No boat next to you, so you're fortunate! It was quite a sight, and makes me promise myself to check on her during any future storms. I don't understand why folks tie their boats up with substandard, old lines, but you'll have this. Anyway, perhaps I'll see you out on the lake tomorrow or Monday!
Ralph
Hi Ralph,
Great to hear from you . . . I always am concerned about storms. Thank you so much for checking on my boat. We were up there yesterday and had a really nice sail. There were signs of the storm all around, but Steppin' Up was fine. I have sailed every weekend since early May, but two due to weather. Today promises to be another fine day. We go up there around 3 PM or so.
I retied two boats yesterday on D dock has their stern lines broke loose. I can't believe how some of the boaters up there don't seem to understand or care about how to secure their boat in a slip. The guy who has the space next to me is one of those folks who uses old line and doesn't tie up properly. He doesn't use his boat either. This year he never put it in as you know? Anyway, for several years I retied his boat with proper line. Never heard a peep from him?
I always hate the thought of the end of the season being near . . . Regards, Gil
You can find a lot of stuff by "searching" the site..
I posted these not too long ago on a similar thread.
It's fun to poke around in the archives... you can learn a lot!
In the meantime... here's a pic I scanned from the manual although it doesn't show the preferred method of the cam cleat swivel.
http://www.com-pacowners.com/4images/details.php?image_id=649
what the heck... here's a pic of that too... enjoy...
Dale
http://www.com-pacowners.com/4images/details.php?image_id=650
I have resized my main sheet hardware to use a larger line than is needed for strength because of the feel in my hand. This was kind of expensive but the ergonomics are worth it.