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Com-Pac Model Specific Discussions => CP-23's => Topic started by: JF AIR on May 10, 2013, 06:43:15 AM

Title: re installing the rub rail
Post by: JF AIR on May 10, 2013, 06:43:15 AM
Good day!!
Took off the rubrail.Both sides.It had been on for 25 years,so first thing it did when unfastened was to shrink about 6-8 inches.
I am now trying to find a way to beat the distance but it is not like you just put it in place and pull...if you see what I mean !!!!
Anybody have a solution or should I just purchase an extension...????
jfr
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: marc on May 10, 2013, 07:13:46 AM
I recently reinstalled the rub rail on my 19. I laid it out on the hot driveway before installing. Also I found it was easier to install on the side of the boat facing the sun. Only had to struggle a little bit at the end. On another boat I pulled the rail through a container of hot water just before putting it on.
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: skip1930 on May 10, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Find a big tub and heat the rub rails in hot water. I'd burn some charcoal under the tub.
Don't forget each end of the rubber has a metal cover and both the rubber and the cover are attached [riveted/bolted] to the fiberglass.
Pull like crazy. May have to pull and clamp a few inches at a time from one end to the other.

skip.  
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: wes on May 10, 2013, 12:33:19 PM
Gerry Hutchins says the factory pulls the rub rail across the deck in a straight line, bolts on the end fittings, then stretches the rub rail outward and down onto the hull/deck joint. Smart. I haven't tried it.
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: MacGyver on May 10, 2013, 01:00:02 PM
Instead of making a medeivel cauldron, just allow it to worship the sun god for a hour.
I got worried on mine one time..........called my boss, harbor master at our marina and asked him his advice.
He said don't take it off in the first place...
Well I was staring at it laying on the ground........
After walking around thinking how screwex I was.......I picked it up and gave it a go!

Alas! The sun had allowed it to not only stretch to match up the holes but I surpassed it easily!

That sun works wonders. Bolt one edge one after installing a short run, then just pull into place.
I had my wife help. Went awesome.

Mac
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: HideAway on May 10, 2013, 07:57:29 PM
Ok I have a question.  On a recent cruise we got a bit friendly with the fuel dock at Johns Pass Marina during an adverse tide situation and have a need to replace a rub rail.  I haven't started to look for another one yet -- Has anyone purchased a suitable rub rail or have ideas on a better design ?
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: JF AIR on May 11, 2013, 07:27:35 AM
Quote from: Wes on May 10, 2013, 12:33:19 PM
Gerry Hutchins says the factory pulls the rub rail across the deck in a straight line, bolts on the end fittings, then stretches the rub rail outward and down onto the hull/deck joint. Smart. I haven't tried it.

I tought of this one althoug at Hutchins,I believe they do it before stanchions are installed...wiil try it when it stops raining.
jfr
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: hockeyfool on May 11, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: HideAway on May 10, 2013, 07:57:29 PM
Ok I have a question.  On a recent cruise we got a bit friendly with the fuel dock at Johns Pass Marina during an adverse tide situation and have a need to replace a rub rail.  I haven't started to look for another one yet -- Has anyone purchased a suitable rub rail or have ideas on a better design ?
I asked Hutchins about the 2 factory options that the newer(  >2000 )models have when loaded $ with bells & whistles. Try buying them from Compac and its nearly implausible unless  you live
  a short trailer ride away; bowes for shipping the upscale rails are like 8-12 fr sections, unbelievable shipping rates, and per foot prices are in the $2000 range !
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: MacGyver on May 11, 2013, 10:16:15 PM
Isnt it just the black stuff, coming rolled up in a sense?

I wouldnt think it would be that bad........ Or does the 23 have something different?

Mac
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: skip1930 on May 13, 2013, 06:26:38 AM
Mac, sorry buddy but ... " Instead of making a medieval cauldron, just allow it to worship the sun god for a hour. " It snowed here Saturday in Sturgeon Bay and today Monday, 13-May-2013, it's 36 degrees out side with a stiff North wind. I just thought I'd share our balmy forecast.

skip.
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: MacGyver on May 13, 2013, 07:29:21 AM
Lol Skip,  ;D

I was only making jest of the idea  :D , not that it isnt a good one  ;) , I just know very few people that have tanks of that size, etc.
I took my rubrails off and they are stiffer than a wedding   :-X :o (cannot write word due to family site) and there is no way I would get em in a tub without a lot of heartache.

Last night we got into the 40s, days currently in the 60s....... I will be a bit before I get mine back on as well

Mac

Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: HideAway on May 13, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: hockeyfool on May 11, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
, and per foot prices are in the $2000 range !

Shipping wouldn't be a problem as I live about a half hour awy but how can they possible cost 2 grand???!!!!
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: JF AIR on May 14, 2013, 07:07:25 AM
Quote from: hockeyfool on May 11, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
I asked Hutchins about the 2 factory options that the newer(  >2000 )models have when loaded $ with bells & whistles. Try buying them from Compac and its nearly implausible unless  you live
  a short trailer ride away; bowes for shipping the upscale rails are like 8-12 fr sections, unbelievable shipping rates, and per foot prices are in the $2000 range !
As per Matt Hutchins, they sell at 3.21 per foot plus shipping
jfr
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: wes on May 14, 2013, 12:37:50 PM
To clarify, Hutchins offers two versions of the rub rail; the "flexible" one (classic version) which is $3.21/foot and comes in a roll, and the "rigid" one which is $11.61/foot and comes in 20-foot sections. The latter is obviously more expensive to ship. I assume the latter is the one that induced sticker shock. I have bought the flexible version from Hutchins but never tried the rigid.

Wes
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: JF AIR on May 16, 2013, 06:18:42 AM
Hello !!!!
In reference to my initial need to remove the rubrail on my 1989 CP 23, I did that to find out what was it that was leaking down outside the hull leaving brownish streaks...It had a brownish rusty color and seemed to be embeded under the wax,gelcoat ???? My first tought was that it came from rusted bolts in the hull joint....anyway, none of the leaks are in line with any bolts....and there was no visual indication, once the rail taken off,of any rusted bolts .
Anyway, it still leaks and yesterday, after the rain, new streaks to be seen...
And it seems to be living in the gelcoat...I cleaned, rubbed, compounded, de-wax etc...streaks are looking at me still with a smile...
Was thinking it could be frome the covestripe,it is aprox the same color but faded-diluted????
Any comments are welcome !!!
Best regards
JFR
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: MacGyver on May 16, 2013, 07:47:48 AM
That could be the same thing that was happening to mine. I ended up sanding and buffing with 1000 grit paper.

It worked for the year  ;D

Then I repainted it now (in progress)

Mac
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: JF AIR on May 17, 2013, 05:58:26 AM
Good morning Gentlemen Sailors
Today is a new day and I have now newborn streaks...The water definitely originates from acumulation between rubrail and hd joint,leaking down the hull after crossing over or under the cove stripe picking up somewhere a brownish shade...When I wipe of the water from the surface of the hull, I remain with a dry hull and dry brown streak unsensitive to any popular cleaning agent.
What ever I would do on the hull to erase the ugly result, I would have newborn streaks the day after, so need to first identify the cause....Although the bolts tru HD joint should be ss, could they rust and cause this mess

Any comment really welcome

JF Air
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: wes on May 17, 2013, 07:49:29 AM
I doubt very much that the bolts are to blame. Between my two Com-Pac renovation projects I have removed two 1988 rub rails and over 200 bolts, and have not seen a rusty one yet.

I recommend you replace the rub rail with the original ($3.21/ft) version from Hutchins. It's an awkward job that requires two people, but not an expensive or difficult one. The new rail makes a surprisingly big improvement n the looks of the boat.

Wes
Title: Re: re installing the rub rail
Post by: JF AIR on May 17, 2013, 08:36:36 AM
Quote from: Wes on May 17, 2013, 07:49:29 AM
I doubt very much that the bolts are to blame. Between my two Com-Pac renovation projects I have removed two 1988 rub rails and over 200 bolts, and have not seen a rusty one yet.

I recommend you replace the rub rail with the original ($3.21/ft) version from Hutchins. It's an awkward job that requires two people, but not an expensive or difficult one. The new rail makes a surprisingly big improvement n the looks of the boat.

Wes

I just removed the bolts from 3 different areas and they are baby clean.Ordering frm Compac full set of rubrail definitely would be a nice improvement but not sure about the brown streaks.Maybe when I go in Clearwater some day I could roll them up in my suitcase and explain Mr custom man in Canada that I never travel without my rubrails...I need to find out for sure what causes that brown leak...

Jf