Hi 27'ers - so, I have contracted 11-foot-itis. I love my 19 and will probably never give her up, but I want something larger for longer trips (plus my kids have turned into young adults, and my 6'-3" son doesn't fit inside the 19's cabin any more). It is time to embark on the search for a 27. If one of you are ready to turn over your beloved to someone who will take great care of her, or if you know of someone who is, please let me know by PM.
My ideal boat would be a 27/2, late '80s or early '90s, the 4-portlight version. The larger Westerbeke engine (18 hp) instead of the original 10 hp is desired but not a deal breaker. I intend to do a complete refurbishment, so I'm more concerned with a strong hull with no structural problems whan I am with the condition of teak, sails, and running rigging, which I can easily replace. My budget would be in the $15k to $25k range depending on age and condition.
Think about me before you post your baby on craigslist! Thanks.
Wes
Wes,
Go Here: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/category/type/Com-pac (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/category/type/Com-pac) they have a couple of 27s listed
TG
This one is on Craigfind.com under the search compac 27.
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Compac 27/2 - $10000 (West Alton, MO)
Year: 1988
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Engine: 10 hp 2 cylinder fresh water cooled diesel
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Tim - I've been checking yachtworld.com regularly. There's one 27 listed in NC but its already got a contract pending. Several of the others seem unrealistically overpriced ($33k?). I posted here on CPYOA because I thought perhaps a fair number of 27s get sold privately rather than through broker listings.
Bob - that's a good price, but it's in St. Louis, I'm in NC, and hoping to find one closer to home if possible. Unless of course a friendly fellow CP'er volunteers to check it for me.
Keep those ideas coming.....
Wes
If I knew where West Alton actually was I would probably do it for you, then I should chase it down when it goes to NC so I can visit my brother who just became a State Trooper there.
:)
Mac
That 27 in West Alton, just north of St louis could be a great buy for you. With your budget you could even have a trailer made to haul it, provided you have a suitable tow vehicle. Then its not to hard to go with a different mast step and poof you have a bigger trailerable cruiser. If you would do something like that permits arent hard to get for most states but MO is a pita. They want a ton of insurance, even for a private hauler under 10ft wide. Your only in MO for a few miles then its back in IL if your heading east.
I purchased my 27 in St. Louis and hired Koinonia to haul it down for me. There are people there that can give the boat a good lookover for you. I had written in my purchase agreement a sum of $ if the engine did not work. From Greenville it was an 11 hr drive to check the boat after I was given an OK by a local. At 10K or offer there is room to haul it plus some for work.
Quote from: Wes on March 08, 2013, 01:51:30 PM
Hi 27'ers - so, I have contracted 11-foot-itis. I love my 19 and will probably never give her up, but I want something larger for longer trips (plus my kids have turned into young adults, and my 6'-3" son doesn't fit inside the 19's cabin any more). It is time to embark on the search for a 27. If one of you are ready to turn over your beloved to someone who will take great care of her, or if you know of someone who is, please let me know by PM.
My ideal boat would be a 27/2, late '80s or early '90s, the 4-portlight version. The larger Westerbeke engine (18 hp) instead of the original 10 hp is desired but not a deal breaker. I intend to do a complete refurbishment, so I'm more concerned with a strong hull with no structural problems whan I am with the condition of teak, sails, and running rigging, which I can easily replace. My budget would be in the $15k to $25k range depending on age and condition.
Think about me before you post your baby on craigslist! Thanks.
Wes
Hi Wes:
The question to ask you Wes would you consider a boat in New England? I am located just east of Providence, RI. I have an interest in a few Catalina's (30 to 32 range) in my area that are on the market. My asking price falls well within your budjet and we can discuss that further if you are interested. Along with my 27 comes a parts boat you could remove anything that you feel you may want. Then it will be cut up....sad but true. Please respond through the personal message option.
Thank you
Bruce
S/V Allure
Swansea, MA
Thanks to all and especially to BobK for the tip; I have an agreement to buy the St. Louis boat. She is hull #74. Now I am searching pretty seriously for someone trustworthy in the area to check her out for me before I travel out there, and even more importantly for someone to transport her 950 miles to NC. She does not have a trailer and even if she did I have nowhere near enough tow vehicle to pull that kind of load. Help a brother out!
Wes
Wes,
I would think Jason (MacGyver) would be your best bet as he is only about an hour from the boat. With his background he could probably take a good look at her structural soundness. With his marina contacts i assume he could put you in touch with a trucking company that could put her on a truck and bring her to you. Even if you could find a trailer, I'm guessing it would be at least $4k for a used one and you still have to find a big enough truck to pull it. What would that rig weigh? 10k lbs? I wouldn't want to tackle that big a tow that far. A job best left to the professionals IMHO.
I grew up in St. Louis. Not the city, the burbs, no one lives in the city. Alton is northwest of downtown where the Mississippi and Missouri rivers converge, making a fairly good sized lake. The only "real" sailboat dealer in town is St. Louis Saiing Center which is about 30 minutes south of Alton, near STL airport. Conveniently, they are a Compac Dealer and could also likely help you out. They may even be familiar with that boat or its owner. No affiliation, etc, .. just very familiar with the area. Google them for their web page and contact info.
What do you think Mac?
Good luck Wes. Wish I could help more, but I'm in the Chicago burbs and probably won't be back in St. Louis until mid summer.
Vectordirector
I messaged you back Wes. :)
Mac
Wes,
Looking fo an update!
Update follows!
Good news: I have a signed contract to buy the St. Louis 27. More good news: my new best friend Jason (MacGyver) did an awesome job of inspecting her, and she looks to be an almost entirely unmodified 1988 boat with just a few problems other than the normal wear and tear of 25 years. She has been sitting in her slip unsailed for about 8 years; the owner was ill (he died last summer and his son is selling). I will post separately with some questions for you guys about the few issues Jason found.
Bad news: I am learning why people don't buy sailboats in St. Louis and ship them to NC. The marina is charging me a small fortune to demast, haul, and load her on the truck. I guess there's no reason not to rob the out-of-towners. The trucker who had committed to pick up the boat next week has just cancelled on me and I'm scrambling to replace him. All this is being done long distance, of course. I'll be glad when it's over.
Wes
Hmmm.... Wes: This could be the revenge of Bella!
Bob23
Wes,
I got a auto response on email I sent back
It has BUC book info in it and also estimates of time for the issues (rough estimates) as if I were bidding at marina which will give you a idea of costs to repair it.
Just wanted to make sure you get that email before you went and saw the boat to make a deal, etc.
Also, I think the issues Wes is having is just inherent to the marine environment! Lol
If it has marine in the name or is marine it always costs a lot more.........look at WestMarine...... ROFLMAO
Mac
Well, there's normal West Marine ridiculously overpriced, and then there's rip-off-the-out-of-town-guy-who-doesn't-rent-a-slip-here ridiculously overpriced. The difference is actual malice. The sooner I get her back to my local DIY boatyard, the better.
Do we have a name on this site for people foolish enough to own not one but two 1988 Com-Pacs bought on Craigslist? "Dualies"? Maybe just "hey Stupid"?
Jason, I'm traveling in Alabama but did get your email and will respond soon. Dealing with some family issues down here and haven't had much time.
Bob, I cannot assign any blame to Bella. She is lonely in her slip with all those powerboats giving her the cold shoulder. She longs for a sister to keep her company all week while I work my brains out to afford to visit on the weekends. This is all going to work out well, I'm certain of it.
Wes
Ahoy Wes,
Here is the name of a sailor that is retired and has a part time business moving boats. He's located near Des Monies, Iowa and has moved boats as big as 40 feet so should have no trouble with your boat. Have no idea what he charges but know he does good work, think it would be worth a call. Good luck and happy sail
Overland Navigation
Larry Bender
515-971-1771
benderlar@aol.com
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Wes:
That is so thoughtful of you! And you have such an understanding boat. The last time I proposed something like that to my Koinonia, she said, in no uncertain terms: "Just try cheating on me...just try it and see what happens". Honest...no lies!
Congrats on finding a 27. I do love those boats and being able to stand like a normal human being is really nice. Looking forward to posts and photos!
Bob23
Name for someone who owns two ComPac's.......
It's pronounced....SMART.....I've gotton almost three times what I paid the insurance company for my "parts boat" in spare parts that I kept and the rest I sold off. Not sorry one bit.....
Bruce
I have to agree with Allure/Bruce,
It is SMART, In my opinion on all the boats I have worked on in my many years, and from different parts of the country, The ComPacs have been the most nicely laid out, and actually strongest looking structurally that I know of.
My Humble Opinion.
That being said, I am currently foaming at the mouth for a 16 on our lot........ man I hope I get it........
Mac
Wes,
Good to hear you and Mac were able to "hook up" as the kids say ;D. I knew he was the guy. I was lucky enough to find my Eclipse locally and the prior owner and I have kept in touch and are becoming good friends. The wives seem to get along well too, which is plus. Long distance is a big pain but when it is all over you will have a good story to tell, not to mention the boat you wanted. i'm sure it will be worth the hassle and the $$$. A good old boat is something special. When it gets you down, go price a new one! You will likely feel much better then.
Vectordirector
Vector - you got me curious, so I googled it. A spanking new CP 27 will set you back $111,250 not counting optional extras, which can add another $21,500 if you check all the boxes. I feel so much better already!
Wes
if you need another option for towing your boat I know a guy in Jackson,MS that I've used several times...always does what he says and is in line with prices
Wes, I have the fixer-upper for you. I live in TN and plan on staying. My 27 is starving for an owner. She is in Cape Coral where Dave Barnicoat or something close to that name lives. This is the first year they went to four port holes. It has the the 10hp universal. I will not part with it for less than 10K. That is my absolute bottom line. So, here is what she needs. New batteries (about 200 bucks). One more cushion that I did not get to make. the same lot of fabric is onboard so the new cushion you will have made will match. The other cushions I made myself and trust me, it does not look like harry-home-owner made them. The pattern continues from one cushion to the next. It is very professional appearing. The other issue has to do with fuel supply to engine. I think the electric fuel pump needs replacing. I remember when the engine ran well there was a steady tick tick sound from the pump,.....now the motor only runs a couple of seconds and stalls....the fuel pump does not have that steady sound like it has faded in strength. One last thing. the boat is taking on water up in the v-berth where a thru-hull fitting used to be. The wooden block that supported the fitting is water rotted. Either change the wooden block out or simply fill in the hole while the boat is out of the water. There are lots of cool perks with the boat. Air Conditioning that can be utilized shore-side. It fits into the hatch just under the boom vang. Also, a Dive hookah good to twenty feet down. The boat is a sweetheart to sail. It will turn within it's boat length at a quarter of a knot. Here is my number if you are interested and want to know more. 239 243 4978. BTW, she has North Sails main and 135% with no more than 60 hours on them. Give me a shout if you are interested. Dave.
Comments...
The lift pump might have just lost it's ground connection....common problem and an easy fix. The bottom of these lift pumps also have cap that you can remove (with a little persuasion) and in there is a screen. Sometimes it needs to be cleaned. Easier to take off the pump and do it on a work bench (plus you can check the ground at the same time). Curious about the thru hull is it for the depth sounder? I'm going to take a real good look at mine if that what is leaking on yours.
Bruce
Allure
P.S. If the pump is dead you can get them at a NAPA store. That's where I got mine and then found out that there was nothing wrong with the origional one. In my case it was the 12 volt power input lead that had lost it's connection. I used the old lift pump with a spare filter/water separator mounted on a board to make a fuel cleaning setup.
It is extremely common to use wood on the thru hulls in the industry.
Our normal repair is prefabbed (we make them in shop to have on hand) Fiberglass pads that are used to replace these wood pads.
They are made kinda wide, so that they cen be cut down and fit into place, also so that they can be used on sea-cocks, etc without hull flexation if the bigger sea-cocks are in place, as they tend to turn a bit harder than smaller sea-cocks.
I second Allure's statement on the fuel pump. worst case scenario they are super easy to replace with updated versions also or OEM stuff.
Mac
Dave - wish I had known about your boat a week ago; she sounds perfect for me. But I closed the deal on the St. Louis boat today. Don't worry; when the boys here see how my fixer-upper shines up in a few months, a great cry will be heard across the land and you'll have a bidding war on your hands; everybody will be looking for a 27.
Wes
Bobk's 27 came from the marina just north from where your boat is coming from and has done a great job on his as well.