Hello everyone! It took me a while to find these forums as I searched the Internet for information about Com-Pac boats. For a couple weeks, Google would warn that the cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com domain would be 'harmful to my computer'. Then I noticed that the message went away so here I am. No idea what that was all about, but either way, glad I found this and glad to be on here!
I recently sold a small trimaran, which I really enjoyed. The only problem with it was, I couldn't realistically take the family sailing (wife and 3 year old). They don't enjoy sitting on hot black trampolines or not having a cabin/head.
My criteria for a new sailboat include true ease of trailering and rigging and something that the three of us could overnight/weekend every so often. Also the ability to have four adults and a few kids on board. We move every two years or so, part of the reason I'm a dedicated trailer sailor.
I perceive that the Horizon or even the Eclipse may fit the bill and I'd like to see them in person, so if there's anyone near Columbia, SC that would be kind enough to show us yours, please advise!
There's a Horizon for sale in Union Hall, VA, but I can't seem to reach the point of contact via phone or e-mail.
Thanks for having me, I look forward to reading through this forum!
Welcome!
The google warning was an attack we had here at the forum...it's all cleared up now.
There is a person with a Horizon out of SC...I've seen them on the CPYOA Facebook page, they have participated in the Florida 120.
If you use Facebook, join the group and look for "Isabella" (think that was her name). If you're not on facebook, let me know and I'll try to link the two of you up.
Don't know of an Eclipse out your way..surely there has to be someone nearby.
Never sailed a Horizon but they appear to be extremely nice boats. The Eclipse.. gorgeous and they sail well too. Probably a cat vs. sloop decision, but the Horizon has a wider beam so more room inside. They are also more expensive, generally speaking.
Charlie Mclemore and Isy are in Yemasse (Beaufort) SC. Have a Horizon Cat and prior to that had a Sun Cat. Regular contributors on the TSBB and have done the FL120 and BEER a number of times. Charlie just posted a long pictorial recap of this years FL120 on the TSBB. Very funny!
Don't the Horizon Cats only sleep two in separate births?
I'd go with the Eclipse (or an older 19).
Plus I think Sloops are more fun to sail, and point higher too.
Thanks for the responses. I am on FaceBook, so I'll try to look up that individual.
I have read that a cat boat won't point as high as a sloop, but also that the difference is not that much, don't know the real deal.
Thanks again!
Also - I just tried to search for CPYOA on FaceBook, didn't get any results except for links to this forum. How do I get there?
Do a search on Facebook.. "Com-pac Yacht Owners Association" Should pop up.
There is not nearly as much activity there as here, but it will get you the Isy and Charlie.
Thanks again all- a few more questions if you please. I'm currently considering an Eclipse In FL. Link:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2454991&checked_boats=2454991&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=22824&url=&imc=pg-
First, if anyone is familiar with this boat, it'd be great to hear from you.
Second, what are your thoughts on surveys? My first boat, I bought from a trusted source. My second was new, this is my first foray into a used boat in this way.
Third, for any further Eclipse related questions, I'll be sure to post in the proper thread!
Thanks again!
Have you been on both boats? If cabin space is important to you, you should get on both the Eclipse and the Horizon Cat. I found the Eclipse cabin to be too small for the cruising I planned to do. Both my son and I are over 6 feet and the V-birth was not an option for us as a birth (small children maybe). I'm also very much enjoying learning to sail a gaff-rigged catboat though I do miss a jib.
I just got back from my first solo cruise in the North Channel of Canada (2 weeks) on my Horizon Cat and the boat performed flawlessly. Good luck with your search.
(http://www.rahnlawton.com/webpics/2012%20North%20Channel-004.jpg)
That's good info, thanks! My wife and I are short enough for the Eclipse, we have one small child.
The Horizon has more room, but looks to me that it only sleeps two.
Either way, I'm at square 1 again, the Eclipse I mentioned sold on Friday!
I'm sort of partial to having a job as well. **edit** a jib. I mean a jib, though I'm also happy to have a job as well!
There is an Eclipse on craigslist Orlando. Advertised as new. The gent has a Legacy also. These boats have been on the market for quite a while. Could be worth a look and an offer.
OK, I know I'm biased, but you can usually find used CP 19s for $3k to $5k (I paid $3500 for my 1988). Wonderful classic boat, sloop rig, sleeps four in considerable comfort as long as two of them are children or hobbits. I don't need no stinking Mastendr...
Wes
Quote from: carry-on on August 06, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
There is an Eclipse on craigslist Orlando. Advertised as new. The gent has a Legacy also. These boats have been on the market for quite a while. Could be worth a look and an offer.
Carry on- I see it. Replied to the post. If it is indeed new, that would seem like a good price, maybe too good?
http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/3099516052.html
Doesn't include an outboard I don't think.
Quote from: beradthefish on August 06, 2012, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: carry-on on August 06, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
There is an Eclipse on craigslist Orlando. Advertised as new. The gent has a Legacy also. These boats have been on the market for quite a while. Could be worth a look and an offer.
Carry on- I see it. Replied to the post. If it is indeed new, that would seem like a good price, maybe too good?
http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/3099516052.html
Doesn't include an outboard I don't think.
Star Marine in St. Petersburg has some of the best deals on the Tohatsu Sail Pro around. If you are looking to buy an engine, I suggest you start here. I have had an excellent experience dealing with them!
I read the ad weeks ago. Believe he is selling the trailer as an add on. Same for the Legacy. So trailer and motor gets the price in the $21K area. I have never been in the Eclipse market, so the price of a new unit is a mystery to me. There are several records of completed Eclipse sales at sailingtexas.com. The asking price for a five to six year old unit seems to be in the upper teens to low $20s. Not many show up on the market. Probably not many made.
If you get an opportunity to look at a CP-19, you might take a look. They are very fine boats, probably a little tougher to trailer and rig than the Eclipse, but the space is similar and you should get a great package under $10K . The last 19s built are now ten years old, but the way ComPac are built, ten years is nothing if the boat was not abused.
Back to the Eclipse: I would think the seller is ready to deal, these boats have been for sale quite a while. Either they are not as advertised or the seller won't deal.
Try to enjoy the search!
Quote from: Billy on August 07, 2012, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: beradthefish on August 06, 2012, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: carry-on on August 06, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
There is an Eclipse on craigslist Orlando. Advertised as new. The gent has a Legacy also. These boats have been on the market for quite a while. Could be worth a look and an offer.
Carry on- I see it. Replied to the post. If it is indeed new, that would seem like a good price, maybe too good?
http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/3099516052.html
Doesn't include an outboard I don't think.
Star Marine in St. Petersburg has some of the best deals on the Tohatsu Sail Pro around. If you are looking to buy an engine, I suggest you start here. I have had an excellent experience dealing with them!
That's great - I made an offer on the Eclipse. The gentleman (former SC dealer) selling it is traveling for a few more days so I should know next week. The boat is an '05 and it has never been owned by anyone, there was one potential buyer some time ago but that individual changed their minds. So the boat went from 1/2 hour from my house to 7 hours in Orlando, oh well.
I did look specifically at the 6 HP Tohatsu Sail Drive. It's 58 lbs. and Gerry Hutchins said it would be a good match, just don't go any heavier.
That's great, I hope you get it...very aggressive price for one never used, although it's also probably never been waxed so expect oxidation. The interior may also have mold or mildew due to lack of ventilation. I guess what I'm saying is it's not a new boat.
Speaking of outboards, I'm sooo glad I found a used, but never put in service 2 cyl 2 stroke Yamaha. Compared to the 6hp Nissan 4 stroke it replaced, which is really a rebranded Tohatsu--and my slip neighbors 5hp 4 stroke Honda, the Yamaha 2 stroke is smooth as glass, very quiet and starts immediately. Gas mileage is probably not as good, but I don't care about that..only use it for a few minutes at a time.
The Nissan was cranky to start, loud, needed choke and warm up time and vibrated the whole boat like a Harley engine (ok that's a small exaggeration!).Things inside the cabin would literally buzz and vibrate. My neighbors 5hp Honda requires long warm ups and it seems twice as loud as the Yamaha.
These new 4 strokes are definitely not for me. I may just buy another mint two stroker to use in the future as they will become harder and harder to get in good shape as time goes by.
My old yahama was much quoted and easier to start. It was only a 2.5hp though. Still a 4 stroke though.
BUT I did have constant problems with the jets getting clogged. After rebuilding the carb a 4th time I gave up on it. Mind you ever time it went bad was when I needed it.
And I used stabil and never had gas older than a month or so.
But it was a lot easier to start. But the new tohatsu isn't bad. The yamaha was just easier.
But performance wise, I love my sail-pro
Quote from: Salty19 on August 07, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
That's great, I hope you get it...very aggressive price for one never used, although it's also probably never been waxed so expect oxidation. The interior may also have mold or mildew due to lack of ventilation. I guess what I'm saying is it's not a new boat.
Speaking of outboards, I'm sooo glad I found a used, but never put in service 2 cyl 2 stroke Yamaha. Compared to the 6hp Nissan 4 stroke it replaced, which is really a rebranded Tohatsu--and my slip neighbors 5hp 4 stroke Honda, the Yamaha 2 stroke is smooth as glass, very quiet and starts immediately. Gas mileage is probably not as good, but I don't care about that..only use it for a few minutes at a time.
The Nissan was cranky to start, loud, needed choke and warm up time and vibrated the whole boat like a Harley engine (ok that's a small exaggeration!).Things inside the cabin would literally buzz and vibrate. My neighbors 5hp Honda requires long warm ups and it seems twice as loud as the Yamaha.
These new 4 strokes are definitely not for me. I may just buy another mint two stroker to use in the future as they will become harder and harder to get in good shape as time goes by.
Hopefully it's a good deal, we'll see.
What's the fix for oxidation? Rubbing compound? I asked the question- if the interior is moldy, musty or mildewed. That and other questions to determine if the boat is actually in new condition. It must be a strange sequence of events for a seven year old boat to never have an owner.
Our boat had a similar beginning..kind of. Unique anyway.
Our hull was layer up in 1998, this process is outsourced to Island Packet Yachts just down the road from Hutchins. Upon delivery to Hutchins, they declared it the wrong color and a screw up. There was no deck built yet, so the hull just sat in their shop while they were thinking about what to do with this screw up. A Compac dealer in MN was visiting Hutchins, saw the hull, fell in love with the color and bought it on the spot to be used as their personal boat. They customized it with stern rail seats, nice fabric interior and some companionway eyebrows. Hutchins completed the boat in 1999 and delivered it in MN.
There it sat in shrink wrap until 2003-unused-where the dealer sold it to the first owner. They used it just a few times a year until 2009, then we swopped it up and have been sailing the daylights out of her ever since. Well from May to October anyway.
She was in excellent condition when we got her, but there are a couple of minor gelcoat cracks..probably ice buildup related that we still need to fix. Of course the wood needed treated and all the usual "make it like new" touches were done. The interior was mint but a little musty (solved by a deep cleaning of the interior). But her hull was oxidized-as it turns out very ugh so from never having been maintained with wax or UV/moisture inhibiting chemicals.
Here she is when I towed her the 900 miles from MN to OH. Bland (the clouds in the background don't help either).
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z290/yamaholic_mcarp/Island%20Time/DSC00826.jpg)
And here she is after some serious sanding (sequenced 800-1000-1200-1500-2000), compounding (3M Compound), polishing (3M finesse it II) and of course some good wax (Collinite Fleet Wax).
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z290/yamaholic_mcarp/Island%20Time/DSC01510-1.jpg)
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z290/yamaholic_mcarp/Island%20Time/DSC01508.jpg)
Totally different looking color now. How it was delivered from the factory.
Of course with a colored hull it's going to show oxidation more than white, since oxidation is basically chalk-white color.
Wait until you get the boat to decide what to do to pretty it up. You may only need minor work..hard to tell from those pics.
I tell ya folks, that boat is even prettier in person.
Mike
Salty- thanks for all of that- hopefully I run into a similar scenario! I'm sure it will need some elbow grease in some way or another. Sending you a PM regarding the great state of Ohio.