1988 Com-Pac 19/II $6200
Located in Madison, WI
I am selling our 19 as we have closed a deal on a CP23. We didn't plan on getting a bigger CP yet, but sometimes things just fall in place.
Hull is in very good condition. The bottom has never had paint on it, is in need of it's usual spring buff and wax. It has only seen wax as it has been fresh water sailed it's entire life. Until we purchased it two years ago the cabin had never been used for overnighting. In fact the porta-potty still had plastic on it when we bought her. We put the first battery in it as well.
Trailer;
New bunks and guides
One year old tires and rims
One year old tongue jack
Two year old LED guide post trailer lights
Galvanized frame in good shape
Bearing Buddies
Tongue mounted spare tire and motor mount
I'd tow it anywhere
Boat;
Hull is sound, dry bilge (never seen any water in there)
Two year old depth gauge
Compass
Nice cabin cushions
Galley added to starboard side which removes with 1 screw if you prefer two berths
Main sail is original (I believe) and could use a Sailcare cleaning, but in good condition
Jib sail same as main sail
135 Genny in really nice shape. It was unused when we bought the boat 2 years ago
All teak redone last winter
Companionway door is OK, but is probably the one item I would still end up replacing
Companionway screen door with double fan insert (110V)
Porta-Potty
Standing rigging is original
Two anchors (Danforth on bow pulpit and smaller Danforth lunch anchor)
Two fenders
I will give you the choice of two motors. One 1988 8 HP Mariner 2 stroke which runs good, but can be stubborn to start at times. Most of the time first or second pull. It probably needs a carb clean or rebuild to start properly. The other is a 4 HP four stroke Yamaha that is about 2 years old. It is/was mounted on the CP23 we are purchasing, so I can't tell you too much about it.
Repairs and improvements I would suggest; Needs a waterline stripe, one shroud swage has a slight bend, one very small cosmetic crack to starboard of the companionway at the cabin top and send the main to Sailcare.
The boat is stored in our garage for the winter and we will offer free storage (would require a $1000 non-refundable deposit on the boat) the rest of the winter if you would like.
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Lots of pictures in our Photobucket site.
You can PM us or email greene dot sail at me dot com
Congrats on the new 23! Pictures, we need pictures!!
I can personally attest to this CP19 having been onboard and sailed alongside..it's exactly as described and then some. Why, it even won the race at the Carlyle Lake Rendezvous last year!
Quote from: Salty19 on February 02, 2012, 12:59:06 AM
Congrats on the new 23! Pictures, we need pictures!!
I can personally attest to this CP19 having been onboard and sailed alongside..it's exactly as described and then some. Why, it even won the race at the Carlyle Lake Rendezvous last year!
Thanks Mike. As I remember the CLR race, we were just the first boat to stop "racing" and throw an anchor out to stop the merry-go-round.
Hope to find our boat a good home.
Greenes
I will be posting our CP 19 on Craigslist early next week. I will be listing it at $6200 and won't be going below $6000.
We enjoy the people, information sharing and laughs that everyone here provides us. That being said, we will offer any CPYOA member (must be a member as of this posting date) a $400 discount. So, $5600 to you fine folks . Well, anyone but Bob. He picks on me. Hee hee.
Mike and the best First Mate / Admiral in the fleet Brenda
Glad you finally moved up to a 23 so you can start doing projects that I can copy. However, I expect you will be getting a bill in the mail any day from Bob for the CPYOA upgrade fee. :)
Did anyone inform Mike about the percentage we now charge to members selling thier boats in the classified section? I didn't think so. Here's how it goes: We charge a 10% listing charge, another 10% sales charge due when the deal closes, and a modest 15% deal closing charge. You may have guessed that I was in charge of this department so please send me a check for the $600 you now owe.
Of course, the Compac Yacht Replacement fees also apply. We'll need to know what you paid for your 23 and there's a 12.5% yacht upgrade charge, also payable to me. What year is the 23? We usually multiply the square root of the year of the boat by the 12.5%. Example: If your 23 is a 1985 and you paid $5000.00 for it you would owe me $27,843.75 in CPYOA royalties. But, hey, we're friends so just round down to 27k. Such a deal.
Oh, you qualify for the no trailer discount of $500.00. It just gets better and better!
bob23
Bob, How about we just pay for your airfare to the CLR 2012 and have you teach us how to properly sail a 23? You can even bunk on one of the berths for a modest fee to be determined upon your departure.
Mike and B
DEAL! First I have to learn how to properly sail a 23. I'll get a Home Depot book today.
Really looking forward to seeing photos of your new baby. Best of luck with her. What year, Mike?
I like they way they tend to not sail as flat at a 19. She'll sorta find her sweet spot and just go. Even in light air, she performs well, in my opinion.
bob23
mike, if i had the money (well if the fishing boat and the 16 would bring that much) i would buy miss bs haven. she is one fine craft (the boat too). i have sailed on her (wonderful night sail by the way) and have admired her very much, indeed. my only question is how does one trailer a cp23 to carlyle lake?
Quote from: kickingbug1 on February 04, 2012, 09:44:29 AM
mike, if i had the money (well if the fishing boat and the 16 would bring that much) i would buy miss bs haven. she is one fine craft (the boat too). i have sailed on her (wonderful night sail by the way) and have admired her very much, indeed. my only question is how does one trailer a cp23 to carlyle lake?
You'll break down and buy a 19 sooner or later. Sarah deserves a pretty new boat. As far as trailering a 23 to Carlyle Lake, I think it's the same road we used for the 19. Hee hee.
Mike
the more i think about it the worse it gets. ive decided to sell the fishing boat this year regardless. ive been pretty much fishing alone for the past 5 years and with the price of gas (4bucks plus this summer they say) i would rather sail. plus more room for the 52 would be nice as well.
I've received a couple requests for additional interior shots of our CP 19/2. I am attaching a couple here and adding a link to the Photobucket site that has several new shots in it.
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Mike
Clean, Greene.
Great deal. I wish timing was different... We have #4 on the way, and a two bedroom house....Priority is a third bedroom right now...I don't think I can convince her that this would qualify...
Can't wait to see the 23.
Kevin
Thanks guys. The 23's interior is just like our 19's. They both look like new. The 23 needs a really good cleaning on the outside and a couple of new halyards to be ready to sail. We will be out cleaning her tomorrow since we are supposed to be over 60 degrees. Whoever buys the 19 will be getting a really nice boat.
Mike
I can almost buy it but being a first boat 19 seems a bit daunting compared to the 16. also its quite a drive away, even though i am usually all for driving far.
Quote from: dwkfym on March 12, 2012, 12:03:07 AM
I can almost buy it but being a first boat 19 seems a bit daunting compared to the 16. also its quite a drive away, even though i am usually all for driving far.
The 16's are a great little boat to learn on, but the 19 is (at least in my opinion) easier to sail for a beginner. Although heeling can become fun as you gain experience, it tended to really bother Brenda while we were learning. On the 19 the sailing is quite flat which is really nice. She wants to sail at less than 10 degrees of heel and it takes a load of wind along with the main sheeted in to get her to 20 degrees. If you do go with the 16 I would highly recommend getting a newer set of sails. If you have an old main up in gusty conditions it acts like a parachute and bags out holding the gust and creating a lot of heel. A newer main will turn more of that gust into forward motion and tend to spill the excess rather than heel you over.
Whichever you decide upon you will really enjoy the solid build and the classic good looks of a Com-Pac.
Mike
" the 19 is (at least in my opinion) easier to sail for a beginner " that's because the CP-19 is less tender than the CP-16.
skip.
I couldn't agree more with Skip. I learned on my 19 and all is well. After two years I bought a 16 and only sailed it a few times. I thought I would sail it more because it was easier to rig. It didn't point well at all so I sold it. It felt like it only went down wind with no control.
Plus, with a 16 after a year or two you will want to step up to a bigger boat and Greene's will be long gone (the 19s are few and far between while the 16s are a dime a dozen). A 19 you will be happy with for a long time.......unless your name is Michael Greene!
Indeed nice CP19's like Greene's don't come around too often. Surprised it's not sold yet.
If I wasn't 6' 3" and love to sleep aboard, I wouldn't even consider selling our 19. They are great trailer sailers.
Mike
How much harder is it to rig and trailer? How about storage of the boat? Sorry, I realize the second question is kind of stupid; I guess parking lot storage unit places or a slip, at least until I get a house where I can store it in the driveway/back yard.. (which I do plan on buying, but may be a few months before that).
The rigging and running gear are almost identical for the two boats. The 19's mast is a little heavier, but still easily raised by two people without a gin pole. I have raised the mast on the 19 by myself. The sails go on the same way as does the mainsheet. Unless an owner has installed additional controls (boom vang for example) there isn't anything more to the 19 than the 16.
Trailering for a 16 is like towing nothing behind your car. We used to tow it with a 4 cylinder SUV. The 19 we towed and launched with a Mazda MPV minivan (good gosh I hated that van) and later with a 2001 Toyota 4 Runner with a very small 6 cylinder. They both tow easily and you certainly can go 65 mph without working the vehicle. Launching seemed about the same to me. Both boats need to float off which means backing fairly far down the ramp. Retrieval was a little easier for the 16 only because the 19's boweye tends to line up under the bow roller as it is coming forward. I found that if I had Brenda stand in the very aft of the cockpit that it raised the boweye enough to clear the roller. (Man I know Bob is going to make me pay for that sentence!) Some 19'ers have modified the bow roller to line up a little differently as well.
Storage for the 16 is obviously easier as it fits on most standard garage doors and is just a question of your garage's depth. to store the 19 indoors I built a separate garage for with a 9' wide x 8' high doors. The garage has to be at least 26' deep, but I went 28'.
Mike
Mike - if you don't immediately find a buyer in your area, you might consider listing on the Raleigh NC craigslist. I have run into two or three sailors here in the area (Jordan Lake) who admired my 19 and asked where they might find one for sale. Craigslist is typically where they would be looking. It would be fun to see another 19 out on the lake. Lots of 16s out there, and a beautiful green hulled Rob Roy 23, but I've never run into another CP 19.
Just a thought.
- Wes
The 19 does have a back stay while the 16 does not. However, I set it the first time and have not needed to adjust it since. Sometimes while stepping the mast, it can get wrapped around the tiller or the turn buckle can get twisted upside down. When that happens, I notice before the mast is above my shoulder and I simply lowered the mast back down and unwrapped it. Then I stepped it with out a problem. After that happened a few times I learned to just make sure it is clear before I lift. No problems! Plus, a back stay gives me a little more security when sailing down wind. Also, b/c the 16 doesn't have a back stay, the spreaders are swept back to account for the load. This does not allow the main to be sheeted out as far when sailing down wind because it hits the shrouds.
Which reminds me....the 19 has upper and lower stays and spreaders. The 16 does not. But none of this matters when stepping the mast.
And the 19 has opening ports while the 16 does not.
Get a 19! you won't regret it! You will always wonder if you get a 16.
I find the back stay to be a non-issue when raising the mast. It just lifts unattended like the shrouds. We do carefully position the shrouds and back stay to prevent them from snagging on anything. We added a stainless steel Johnson Quick Tensioner to the front stay which makes everything much easier. We don't use a furler, so it can be used on the front stay. If we used a furler it could be used on the back stay. The Johnson lever gives you about 3" of slack to put in the pin and then simply flip the lever to tension things. Nice and easy.
Mike
I would LOVE to be the new owner of your CP 19, but Madison, WI....................wow! That would be a long drive!! You coming toward Texas by any chance? LOL
Well I just drove 1300 miles one way to get the 23. When I bought the 19 I traveled to Cincinnati to look at one and then drove to Detoit to buy this 19. I'd be more than happy to tow it the first 300 miles to meet someone with cash in hand, but I'm not crazy enough to tow it to Texas.
Mike
Mike,
How do you find these boats when they are so far away? I live in Tampa Bay and never saw your 23 for sale. Are you using a broker?
I use SearchTempest.com to search large areas of Craigslist and of course all the usual used boat websites. The 23 I bought only showed up on one boat site Which I had never visited before. I'll have to see if I can find that site again. I guess the best search is to just use your favorite search engine, i.e. google, bing...., and type in a search for whatever model you are interested in. Sometimes I even use different spellings to find those boats that get lost in the web. I've found CP's by typing in HUTCHINS, CP 23, COMPACT 23, SHOAL DRAFT SAILBOAT and TRAILERABLE CRUISER. Gee, I need to get a life!
Mike
didn't know about SearchTempest.com thanks!
I use Dailylister.com
Greene,
I am actually quite interested in this boat.. I will be in touch.
Well our beloved 19 sold today to a very nice man who lives just 45 minutes away. We'll be seeing her sailing on our local lakes. It is hard to see these Com-Pac's leave, but having another one already in the driveway helps. Happy sailing George, treat her right.
Mike and Brenda
Well, look at it this way: Your not loosing a 19; your'e gaining a 23. Congrats on selling your 19 and we look forward to hearing about the adventures of Wrinkles.
I felt the same sadness when I sold my Seapearl 21 which was just after I bought my CP 23.
They sit, side by side: (http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/Bob23_photo/Seapearl21.jpg)
bob23
well mike, this news makes it easy to keep my 16. seriously glad you sold it to a local guy. you might still see it under sail every once in a while. sarah and i figure that we could just tie our 16 behind your 23 and sail with you at the clr.
Mike and Brenda: Thank you for the kind words. I found a 12" wire extension at the auto parts store. Made it home without any problems. I'll be in touch.
George
Quote from: kickingbug1 on March 31, 2012, 04:49:41 PM
well mike, this news makes it easy to keep my 16. seriously glad you sold it to a local guy. you might still see it under sail every once in a while. sarah and i figure that we could just tie our 16 behind your 23 and sail with you at the clr.
Perfect. We love a sailboat chauffeur, especially one who can sail circles around us. I guess the administrators really should shut this thread down pretty soon. It has to be the biggest thread drift "boat for sale" topic in CPYOA history.
Mike and B
Quote from: Greene on March 31, 2012, 06:14:30 PM
I guess the administrators really should shut this thread down pretty soon. It has to be the biggest thread drift "boat for sale" topic in CPYOA history.
Mike and B
Request denied :) Let's hear from the new owners!