Do any of you see anything here that would need a professional to repair, that could not be done by a person with normal semi average skills? This is the list of damage the marine surveyor from boatus compiled. I know I will have to have the mast removed for some of the work such as resetting the port bulkhead.
This is hurricane Irene damage, and would you believe it fell off of the stands it was on in the boat yard.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
CABIN INTERIOR
RE-SET PORT / FWD BULKHEAD - TEAK PLYWOOD
GELCOAT REPAIR:
PORT HULL SIDE - 1' x 1' AREA OF SCRATCHES BETWEEN CHAINPLATES
PORT SHEER STRIPE - 3.5" SCRATCH BETWEEN CHAINPLATES
PORT BOOT STRIPE - DEEP SCRAPE NEAR MIDSHIPS
PORT HULL SIDE - VARIOUS SCRAPES & SCRATCHES
PORT/FORWARD HULL SIDE - BETWEEN BOOT & BOOT STRIPE
PORT SIDE HULL BOTTOM - SCRAPES & SCRATCHES
PORT / FWD HULL-DECK JOINT, EXTERNAL FLANGE - CRUSHED
RE-SET PORT SIDE RUB RAIL
RE-SET & SECURE BOW RAIL - LOOSE PORT SIDE MOUNT
PORT SIDE HULL INTERIOR FRP TABBING REPAIRS:
DE-BONDED FRP LAMINATE AT SHELF BEHIND LINDER - APPROX. 6'
STRESSED FRP LAMINATE AT TRANSVERSE FRAME - APPROX. 8"
PEEL BANK LINER FOR REPAIR AND RE-ADHERE
Thanks,
David
Was this stored at Duck Creek Marina? I saw a Compac 27' laying on her port side where the stands gave way there shortly after Irene.
That was mine. It should not have happened.
Hi David,
The short answer to your question about a person of average skills being able to accomplish repairs to the listed damages is, of course, yes. The correct answer, in my opinion, is a bit longer. Scratches, dings, gouges and the like are not difficult to fill and fair, but do you have the skill to blend the correct color into the surrounding areas? Would you be satisfied with areas that stand out from the rest of the boat? This is a cosmetic issue that pivots upon your willingness to accept less than perfect results, and does not compromise structural integrity of the vessel or safety. It can definitely affect re-sale value down the line, though. Re-tabbing bulkheads, the hull/deck joint, and other longitudinal stringers is directly related to hull stiffness, which ultimately relates to rigging tension- changes in which during sailing affect the ability of the mast to remain standing. I've done re-tabbing, and it is a job that involves gaining proper access to do necessary grinding and surface prep- a very dirty and itchy process under the best of conditions- as well as knowledge of the proper resins and mat, not to mention getting everything positioned, contacted, and clamped correctly, prior to laying down sufficient tabbing. Yes, you might be able to do it, but, if you have insurance, I'd strongly recommend having a professional do the job. It can affect the appearance, safety, and value of your great boat down the line. Just check around to find a well qualified professional to do the work in its entirety and let BoatUS insurance send the check. Just my opinion here.
peterg I guess that means the mast must be removed before the bulkheads can be joined to the hull? Not mentioned in the survey. Thank you for alerting me to this potential expense and problem.
Everyone I have talked to that I trust are spot on with what you are saying about the blending of the color, and they tell me boatus insurance will fight about painting the side of the boat, which seems to me to have to happen to keep it from looking like a repair because of damage. I will see what happens in regard to that.
Thank you.
I just read this. I really did not realize how important bulkheads were.
So how are the bulkheads suppose to be connected to the hull? I am talking about a 1986 CP-27.
I hear people talking about removing bulkheads, or cutting them to make more room in regard to other boats. Seems like that could be a horrible mistake.
Hi David:
I have to agree with PeterG. The cosmetic stuff is not a big deal. The hull integrity is what will come back and get you into trouble if not done right. Is the insurance company trying to write off the boat? I'm going to take a guess and say that the insurance company will total the boat at between 1/3 and 1/2 of the cheapest one listed for sale or the book value. I would say between $6000 to $9000 worth of repairs and it's gone.....sad to say. I purchased my parts boat from the insurance company because it had new cushions, good sails and the bronze ports were four hundred dollars each to buy. I used four of them on Allure (added two more per side) and sold the other two. We should chat.....I sent you contact info outside of this site.
Bruce
Hi David,
You asked about how the CP27 bulkheads are attached to the hull, so I went out to the dock and tried to take a look at my 1990 CP27 bulkhead attachment. On older boats I've worked on, the bulkhead was bolted to what really amounted to a three inch deep rib made of heavily encapsulated plywood that was then heavily tabbed to the hull and around to the overhead. As near as I can tell- that damned hull liner in the 27 covers everything and totally deters access to everything- the port side bulhead may have some attachment to the hull on the upper part and onto the underside of the deck, as well as to the compression post. To me, this would offer some stiffness to the hull, but not nearly so much as a bulkhead attached to a full rib. Without doing some destructive exploration, I can't tell you the precise points of attachment. Maybe a call to the Clearwater factory could shed some light on this. It apears that the starboard half bulkhead does not provide much torsional stiffness. Since the port bulkhead is the one that broke loose, give a careful examination to the integrity of the compression post, as the bulkhead is atached to the post. Once again, if you can't get the boat back to the factory for resetting it to spec, make sure you have a capable professional initiate the needed structural repairs. Good luck with this endeavour- Compacs are almost always worth repairing!!
PeterG
S/v Afternoon Beagle
Afternoon Beagle?? What's with the new name? Trying to remain anonymous because of the Messing About in Boats story? Haha
bob23
Actually, Bob, the slight addition to the boat name is part of the ongoing procedure of placating any remaining demons, spirits, ju-ju, or whatever of the previous owner, who met an untimely end. "Afternoon" was half of the prior boat name, and while sailing around Conklin Island in the area where we distributed the PO's ashes, the addition of "Afternoon" to the name "Beagle" struck me like a thunderclap, so I fugured it was Ginny's way of letting me know that she was releasing all ties she had to the vessel. As the Cowboy Junkies sang, "good news always waits till noon", so the Beagle should do even better as the Afternoon Beagle, yes?
Hmmm...interesting. I'm not sure this is acceptable in the sight of the renaming gremlins...I'll check the bylaws.
....checked...you are ok.
Where is the Afternoon Beagle anyway? NJ? VA? We may be planning an overnight at Tice's on Saturday night now that the yahoos are gone. My naviagator and chief of maintenance Jose may accompany me. Dennis my sail over in his Morgan 30.
Sorry for hi-jack. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
bob23
Bob23- The mighty Afternoon Beagle is in NJ, having been travel-lifted out for winter storage this morning. Spent the afternoon doing some winterization and hull waxing. Still more waxing to do during the week. The boatyard is a disaster- they are replacing all the bulkheads, finger piers, etc, and boats are scattered hither and yon. I did get an invite onto a brand dandy new CP27 in dark green with some custom interior work from the factory in the galley area. Very pretty boat and very nice owners- told them about the Big Barnegat Bay RonDayVoo series, hoping they would show up next year. Also told them about this site so they could jump into the daily give and take. Am looking at getting a smaller genoa- about a 120- for general Barnegat sailing. I've been playing around with sail area in 15-20 knot winds and have decided this boat likes less sail flying and goes just as fast without un-neccessary drama. Am also measuring up and gathering parts to install an inner forestay to fly the storm jib. The stay will normally be pulled back out of the way, and hooked up only when the storm jib needs deployment. I experimented around with a couple different ways of hoisting it up the furled genoa, but did not like having the jib that far forward. My last boat was a cutter, and I liked being able to throw in the second reef on the main, furl the jib, and fly the self tacking staysail and be able to sail in winds that howled through the rigging like a banshee. Bob, I'll hoist you up in the bosuns chair to attach the hound for the inner stay on the front of the mast!!
BTW, I misquoted the Cowboy Junkie lyrics..............should be that "good news always SLEEPS 'til noon"...........just as any good Beagle should!!
Hoist me up? I'm game for going up in the chair. After, we'll both "hoist one up."
Converting to a cutter rig in interesting and was discussed on the 23 section. It would have come in handy on Sunday. Maybe when I run out of things to do on the boat, I'll consider it.
Hoping we can once again darken your door and enjoy a pie or two. Not at Lindas, however.
Cia, compagno!
bobb23