I just joined the Association. We purchased our 1980 CP-16 last September. It has been waiting under cover all winter and just this month I was able to get it into my garage. Now I am installing stuff to get it ready to sail. New compass, electric panel (and some wiring), depth sounder. I will be initially sailing in Pueblo Resevoir, Colorado. This represents the end of a 30 year drought for me - I am looking forward to getting back on the water! As soon as I get CAREL into the water I will send in a picture or two. Also, plans call for participation in the 2012 Lake Havasu Pocket Cruiser Regatta.
Welcome aboard. We also have a 1980 model that will be baptized as soon as we get it out of the boat yard where some work is being done on it.
Welcome..............
I too will be at Lake Havasu Pocket Cruiser Regatta next year. I had a health issue which prevented me from going this year.
So, I will see you there!
Glenn
Carel (and her skipper),
We're an association? OK then, welcome to the association.
Curtis
Cap't Carel:
Also, welcome aboard. How did you endure a 30 year drought? I don't think I would have survived!
Bob23
Quote from: curtisv on April 22, 2011, 11:38:47 PM
Carel (and her skipper),
We're an association? OK then, welcome to the association.
Curtis
Of course, it's in the title, although it feels more like a digital dockside bar.:)
Welcome Carel.
Quote from: brackish on April 23, 2011, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: curtisv on April 22, 2011, 11:38:47 PM
Carel (and her skipper),
We're an association? OK then, welcome to the association.
Curtis
Of course, it's in the title, although it feels more like a digital dockside bar.:)
Welcome Carel.
Association seems way too ... uhmm ... organized. But you're right - it is in the title.
The point being welcome Cap'n Carel. You've picked a fine small vessel and you are in the right place to find people from all over the country who enthusiastically care for and sail their Com-pacs from pocket cruisers to the large CP-27 and CP-35 cruisers.
Curtis
Okay, hopefully I am doing this correctly. How did I survive a 30 year draught? To make a long story short, I moved to the mountains of Colorado, took up skiing, hunting and camping. I have been trying for the last 20 years to get authorization for another boat, but have had to defer to a series of motorized or drag along campers. Finally convinced the Power that Be that we just had to have a boat (the fact that I have given up skiing and hunting helped). So here we are: as soon as I get Carel rewired (hopefully two days), and get the compass installed (still trying to figure out where) and we can drag her out into the driveway and teach ourselves how to raise and rig we will be ready to truck on down the 50 miles to our nearest body of navigable water (Pueblo Reservoir)..That will be the easy part as it's downhill all the way. Oh yes, one more essential step: I have talked my daughter who is an excellent artist to letter the name on the boat (seems important to have done before first launch).
Quote from: carel on April 25, 2011, 12:29:32 AM
Oh yes, one more essential step: I have talked my daughter who is an excellent artist to letter the name on the boat (seems important to have done before first launch).
Wouldn't want to anger Posiedon.
Oh wait,.. does his juristictional boundaries extend to inland waters?
Quite a story. Enjoy your first sail in 30 years!
Curtis
Welcome, and fair winds
Really liked that "digital dockside bar" thought....
"So here we are: as soon as I get Carel rewired (hopefully two days), and get the compass installed (still trying to figure out where)."If it's not too late, think about mounting the compass on a teak wood ring to stand off the bulkhead. In that fashion, a compass hole will not be needed through both the outer and inner bulkhead...at least that's how the compass is mounted on my CP-19.
Ohhhhh and welcome aboard.
Once the ring is cut out and the outer bulkhead holed for the back of the compass, four fasteners from Ace, the ones with a wood screw at one end, and a machine screw at the other end, were screwed into the wood. Four drops of paint on the machine screw end locates where the drilled holes are to go. Drill the holes. Place the ring with it's fasteners into the holes. You can reach through the compass hole and place a flat washer and lock washer and a #10 nut on each machine screw. I put a little dab of 3-M 5200 slow set on the backside of the ring to keep out the leaks. Once the ring is screwed down center up the compass and screw that into the wood. If lighted with the red lamp take the two wires, red and black and clamp them into a vice. The free ends into a electric drill and twist the two wire as tight as they go with out knotting them up. That way any juice flowing through the wires cancel each other out to light the compass light will not influence the compass. My compass light is tied into my LED running lights. Any other electric stuff keep on the other side of the hatch.
skip.
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Carel, Welcome to the forum! Sounds like you are anxious and who can blame you?
Skip, there is no inner bulkhead on early 16's. Only the XL versions have this. The glass is about 3/8" thick there so a compass will pop through. I really like your bulkhead setup but the admiral will not let me mount anything there (she sits against that area often). Oh well...
Skip, thanks for the advice on mounting my compass. I really like that idea, but don't have the same inner/outer bulkhead. Also, I already purchased a compass that needs a little different mounting treatment. I do plan on building a wood "garage" for it and will probably put it on the starboard bulkhead (my electric panel is going on the inside port bulkhead). The reason for that is that the previous owner had something mounted there that left mounting holes which I can use to mount the panel box. I have been waiting for some decent weather here to get on with finishing the box (varnish needs > 50 deg). Now I can mount the box and run the wiring to the nav, masthead and anchor lights. I decided the best place for the battery is in the little covered box at the stern. I expect after I get Carel in the water a few times and meet up with another CP16 I will see better ways to do all this stuff. Oh well, gotta start somewhere............
Quote from: Salty19 on April 28, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
I really like your bulkhead setup but the admiral will not let me mount anything there (she sits against that area often). Oh well...
sounds like my Admiral went to the same marine school as your!
Quote from: carel on April 28, 2011, 10:30:26 PM
I decided the best place for the battery is in the little covered box at the stern.
I would encourage you to rethink this. CP16's are somewhat tail heavy, especially with crew and a 4 stroke outboard. Personally I would mount it as far forward as possible for better weight distribution. Makes a HUGE difference in the sailing qualities of the boat.
Billy, yep if the Admiral is not happy, no one is happy! :)
If you can convince the Admiral that the bow is a better place to get a suntan, it will improve trim and if takes a liking to it, this will allow you to mount the compass on the bulkhead. A good arrangement when sailing with another couple is Admiral and entourage on the bow, Captain and crew in the cockpit.
Just be careful if you let on that the women are being used to improve trim. :-)
Curtis
I'm in the process of relocating my battery (23) from the starboard cockpit locker to more forward...maybe starboard side, forward of the bulkhead. Surprisingly, my panel is located about in the middle of these 2 points. Although the 23 is heavy, this should help trim a bit as well as free up some storage for life vests in the cockpit. I usually sail alone so having the Admiral tan/trim on the foredeck isn't much of an option.
Any thoughts on this or am I crazy?
Bob23
Hey Bob23, If the Admiral won't provide forward ballast, so to speak, I would look for 110 - 130lb bow tanning machine which I am told are plentiful down your way. ;)
Oh nearly forgot, don't like to steal a thread, welcome Carel! How big is that reservoir? Compass? Wow! You will soon, if not already, figure out the humor on this site as well as appreciate all the wonderful advice and counsel.
BTW anybody who might see this, do we have a page dedicated to info on specs and parts and things? I decided to replace the wire covers on our shrouds but I am not near my elderly 23 and I have no idea what size they are, or other than measuring them, where to find that info. Thanks, er, uh, See what I mean Carel?
Bob,
My 160 lb 8D battery is amidship where the engine would be if I had a 23D. Taking the outboard off the transom did the most to improve trim. The 80' of chain, 3/8 and 5/16 HT sections, and 27 lbs of anchor helps.
I've sailed solo and noted that I can squeeze a little more speed by sitting forward in the cockpit. The trim is that close. If anything I still need to move weight forward a little. The cockpit lockers have some weight in them. If the tankage were filled, it might put the trim just right. If I go anywhere and have gear stuffed in the forepeak and a heavy cooler, trim is also going to be just about right.
I kid about it but the Admiral on the bow and me in the cockpit near the tiller give the boat just about perfect trim. Two and two also keeps her balanced, while four in the cockpit is good for a rather tail heavy trim.
Curtis
ps - headed for BVI tommorrow AM.
My brother went so far as to put an 80lb bag of concrete in the bow on his (my old) 16. Trim is much improved!
If you get water in through the scuppers without a following sea, that's a good sign trim needs to be adjusted.
Thankfully the 19 does not need, or rather should I say, haven't noticed the need for, special weight distribution. The flat aft section seems to provide good balance as standard. With that said, this year I was going to experiment with this a bit by moving stuff around a bit to see if it can point any higher. Put a hatch in the bow berth so lots of room underneath now to cram some liquid refreshment.
So carel, have we convinced you to not put the battery in the stern yet?? :)
"Honey, can you move your butt, I mean ballast forward??"
Quote from: Salty19 on May 02, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
If you get water in through the scuppers without a following sea, that's a good sign trim needs to be adjusted.
You are well past "out of trim" at that point.
Try this on a good sailing day, maybe 10 knots of steady wind and fairly flat water. Use the telltails to trim as near perfect as possible. Then move your body weight forward as far as you can. If you have someone else on board have them slowly move to the bow. If the boat speeds up a little as they move forward, your trim needs to move forward. If you seem to sail fastest with one person near the tiller and another near the windward shrouds, then trim is perfect.
You have to be able to hold near perfect trim for a little while so this takes a good steady wind on a long tack. Might be hard to do on a small lake with variable wind but easy to do where I sail (and I like 12-15 knots for this experiment since I fly a 110% jib).
Quote from: Salty19 on May 02, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
So carel, have we convinced you to not put the battery in the stern yet?? :)
"Honey, can you move your butt, I mean ballast forward??"
Such a statement seems rather lacking in the skillful diplomacy department.
Curtis
Quote from: rip on May 02, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
Hey Bob23, If the Admiral won't provide forward ballast, so to speak, I would look for 110 - 130lb bow tanning machine which I am told are plentiful down your way. ;)
Oh nearly forgot, don't like to steal a thread, welcome Carel! How big is that reservoir? Compass? Wow! You will soon, if not already, figure out the humor on this site as well as appreciate all the wonderful advice and counsel.
BTW anybody who might see this, do we have a page dedicated to info on specs and parts and things? I decided to replace the wire covers on our shrouds but I am not near my elderly 23 and I have no idea what size they are, or other than measuring them, where to find that info. Thanks, er, uh, See what I mean Carel?
Go to the FAQ section, there is a thread Com-Pac specs that has all the sailplan, standing, and running rigging specifications.
Bob try filling your water tank and see if it makes a difference. I do like moving the battery, but your main weight is that outboard. I plan on getting rid of mine eventually.
Quote from: Salty19 on May 02, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
"Honey, can you move your butt, I mean ballast forward??"
Such a statement seems rather lacking in the skillful diplomacy department.
Curtis
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Hehehe...thankfully the admiral (probably!) wouldn't lace the laundry with itch powder because of it. We joke around quite a bit. It's not like she married me for my money or looks!
Rip: I did indeed find a 125 lb tanning machine but my wife wouldn't let me sail alone with her.
Newt: I have filled my water bladder and it does make a difference but I thought that moving the battery might help counter balance the outboard. My Nissan 8 is here to stay unless I convert to a Yanmar. There's one for sail on Craigslist...I'm afraid to call about it.
Curtis: Have a Painkiller on me! I have also played around with sitting forward in the cockpit using the tiller extension and it does make a difference. I've also surfed my 23- with the tiller lashed, I'd steer the boat by standing in the cockpit and moving from side to side. Yes, they are sensitive women, those 23's.
bob23
Quote from: Bob23 on May 02, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
Curtis: Have a Painkiller on me!
Bob,
Did I say something annoying or offensive? If so, I appologize for doing so.
Curtis
Curtis:
No, not at all. The Painkiller is made with Pussers Rum so my comment was in reference to your trip to the BVI. So, have one for me would be more gramatically correct. Check out the Pussers Rum website. And have a great time!
Bob23
Bob,
OK. My bad. Didn't get it the first time. Will check out the selection and report back in just under 2 week.
BTW - The admiral makes great funny faces when she thinks the drink is too strong. Will try and get a photo if we do any rum sampling.
Tee hee.
Curtis
Have a great time, curtis!! We'll be thinking about you
Thanks brackish, rescued once more!
Bob23, why on earth did you pass it by the Admiral? Admirals should never be bothered with questions as deep as ballast.
Hope you are sound asleep curtisv. Having sweet dreams, leaving the rest of your poor ComPac comrades still waiting for the water to warm up.
Got back from BVI last night. New thread elsewhere rather than hijack this one.
Curtis
Salty,
you mentioned experimenting to see if you can point higher. I recommend putting the jib sheets b/w the stays. If you have a large Genny it tends to fold when sailing down wind (and harder to use the tracks), but anything less than a 110 is not an issue. I use the pad eyes for the jib. And having the jib trimmed in more helps a lot! Make sure that main outhaul is tight too.
Hi Billy, yep it pays off to tweak the rig and learn how the boat behaves, that is for sure.
A cure for the downwind genny-jibe is a whisker pole. Put the mast ring on a t-track for 'justability. Just used it for the first time the other day...OMG how did I live without this thing??
I bought a pole last summer and love it too. However mine is not on a track, just have a gin pole ring mounted to the mast about 6" above the life lines. A track would be nice though. It really makes a difference keeping that big sail open on those calm days. Plus it looks really cool on the mast!
Here, here, Salty:
I also love my whisker pole. When the air gets light, it's a neccesity. I probably should add some kind of boom preventer also.
Bob23
Lol, Bob..the preventer is on my list of things to do this spring as well! I had installed the mast track and ring last year but never got around to using the pole. It's easier to deploy than I thought too. Still thinking about the design of the preventer. Working on a bow awning now so the preventer will wait a week or so.