Hello all,
I am new to the ComPac world but I do have a new to me 1981 Compac 23. She has a 115% working jib and i was thinking about investing in a roller furling and would like to know if any of the owners tend to prefer one brand/make over another? Are there brands/maakes I should avoid all together? Thanks for your time!
Brandon
I have a CDI which has given me no problems whatsoever. I'm sure other 23 ers are using other brands so I'll bow out now so they can speak!
Bob23
Also have a CDI FF2 which is what the Compac yard specs as an RF option for the 23. It has been trouble free with the exception of occasional interference between the top drum and the spinnaker halyard. I solved that (I hope)by putting a ring at the top of the furler drum and by keeping both ends of the the spin halyard tight when not in use.
I single hand a lot and the RF a big help with that.
Ross Barnett huh, I see a Mississippi rondayvoo in the making.:)
"Don't leave the dock without one. Harken '0-0'.
Thanks all! I'll be looking to make a purchase sooner than later.
Brakish! Yes indeed... a ron-de-voo sounds like a plan!
Brandon
I also have a Harken 0-0 and have had no problems. My first two seasons sailing out of Cornucopia, Wisconsin were spent trusting my autohelm while up in the bow struggling to change headsails. I think installing roller furling was the best decision I have made in connection with my 23/3. I estimate about 80% of the sailboats in Siskiwit Bay Marina have roller furling installed (Harken seems to be the most common). Certainly a must if you plan to do any solo sailing.
Scott
I know lots of people here use the CDI but I don't care for them. Of course this is based on my one single experience with them. Pooka had a CDI when we got her. IT did not work well at all, my wife could not furl the sail, it was all I could do to get it rolled up. It only took one or two days out to replace it. I was going to get a harken like we had on a previous boat, they are great. But I found a Plastimo at Sail Care for a bit less so thought why not give it a try. I'm happy to report not one single problem, at least not caused by user error. Simple to install and operate, good price.
Good luck.
Another vote for Harken. My boat came with one and it has been pretty good the last 4 years.
Hello!
Since I had my CP23#3,I have been using old faithfull CDI FF2 wich was probably born with the boat in 1989...The cup is in rough shape, having been to often rubbing with the anchor chain or anchor arm when anchoring or de-anchoring...but hey!!! It is ugly and still there...
The only drawback so far has been that the furling line is to small and I do not get a good grip on it and it tends to ride out of my hands when under little tension...I have been trying bigger line but then, the cup is to small to hold enough lenght to opertate properly...I am now using quarter inch size
Other than that, all is shipshape so far
jf in Canada
Adding my 2 cents.
I used to have a CDI and got rid of it and replaced with a ProFurl R25. I got a good deal on the ProFurl since the company was in financial trouble and retailers were unloading them at the end of the season many years back. Since then ProFurl prices have gone through the roof so I'd put my vote with the Harken, though I haven't looked at furlers in a while.
The CDI doesn't furl well when the wind really picks up. The plastic foil doesn't have enough torsional strength and it twists badly if furled in strong winds. Sail shape will be horrible if you try to sail on a partially furled headsail. So if you never sail in over 20 knots, then go for the CDI. It costs a lot less. Otherwise look for something else.
Curtis
Just came across this thread and thought it might be a good place to ask a couple of rookie questions. I don't know anything about roller furling rigs. I also just bought an '82 23. It came with two head sails. Haven't taken the time to measure them but one seems like it would be a working jib and the other a bit larger. Here are my questions: If you have roller furling does it work with both sails or is one attached permanently? Does the wire in the rf take the place of the forestay? Thanks, rip
Rip:
Congratulations on your new to you 23 choosing you for an owner!
Usually, only one sail is used with the roller furling rig, no matter what the brand. You can partially roll up the jib to shorten sail up to a point but the real beauty of any roller furler is that you just roll it up when your'e done sailing. The existing forestay is used inside of the foil that comes with the furler. I'd advise if you go with a roller furler to have someone who has installed one before do the work. I am of the opinion that it's always better (and cheaper) to pay someone who knows what they are doing than try it myself, screw it up, and then pay them to unscrew it up and doe it correctly. That being said, it 's also not rocket science.
Sounds like the boat is quite new to you. Why don't you sail her as she it, get to know the boat and then you can upgrade any time. There are plenty of guys who sail (and prefer) hanked on sails.
Where do you sail, Rip?
Bob23 in NJ on 1985 23/2 "Koinonia"
Yeah what he said!
Congrats Bob!
There are plenty of guys who sail (and prefer) hanked on sails.
Yep, in my younger days on boats of the past, when I had plenty of crew, I had hank on with the most used sail in a foredeck bag always attached to the head stay. Now that all that crew has moved on (the kids), left sailing (my old decrepit friends) or died (may they rest in peace except when they are on a beam reach in the clouds), I won't leave home without my CDI FF2 furler. I think, particularly with the CDI, you give up some performance, but I need the ease of handling from the cockpit.
Yep- roller furling, the old sailor's friend.
Quote from: Bob23 on October 14, 2010, 03:31:26 AM
Rip:
Where do you sail, Rip?
Bob23 in NJ on 1985 23/2 "Koinonia"
Hi Bob23, Tried to answer in email, but guess that's another facility of this forum I will have to research. I am sailing on the Hudson in the immediate proximity of Kingston NY. We have the 23 on a dock in the Rondout Creek. The 23 is nearly the perfect sailer/cruiser for this area which has large areas of low water flats.
Yes I agree that the hanked on jib works just fine on the 23. But I have a young sailor/part owner of the boat who is not comfortable with that setup, especially if she might be taking non sailors out for a ride. I appreciate her concern. We have pretty serious currents on the river which as you probably know flows both ways, as Pete would say. To get to our dock the motor is required and the currents at the mouth of the creek can be a challenge. Lifting/lowering the motor and getting it started will also be a challenge for her. It is a challenge for me. I do have it mostly figured out at this point though and can single handle out and in in most conditions. I lived on a 35 foot wooden Atkin design for a couple of years which I and my partner at the time sailed/motored down to Venezuela and back via Bermuda. A real learning experience for a real rookie at the beginning of the ride. I still consider myself a rookie when it comes to sail boats. That boat was a double ended gaff rigged cutter with a roller furled jib on the end of an 8 foot bowsprit. Could get interesting in a blow when furler misfunctioned, eh? Anyway thanks for your comments and those of other 23ers. This forum is a great bunch of sailors, most of whom appreciate the bennys of a full keeled boat that doesn't point too high, or go too fast. Smile, rip(ralph)
"but I need the ease of handling from the cockpit."
A downhaul on a hanked on jib helps quite a bit as it will let you drop the sail easily in any condition. Roller furling still wins on convenience though.
The advantage to hanked on is being able to easily change out headsails for a wider variety of conditions. Also because so many have gone to roller furling one can find good deals on lightly used hanked on sails. My 23 came with a 110% jib. For about the cost of the CDI FF2 I added a 130%, a 170% (drifter) and a 65% storm jib.
Shawn
Quote from: rip on October 14, 2010, 12:12:39 AM
Just came across this thread and thought it might be a good place to ask a couple of rookie questions. I don't know anything about roller furling rigs. I also just bought an '82 23. It came with two head sails. Haven't taken the time to measure them but one seems like it would be a working jib and the other a bit larger. Here are my questions: If you have roller furling does it work with both sails or is one attached permanently? Does the wire in the rf take the place of the forestay? Thanks, rip
The roller furler foil (airfoil) goes over the original forestay.
Curtis
Enjoyed the comments...I have also been thinking about adding rf to my 23. I LOVE my genoa and would hate to give it up but it would be nice to have the convenience of rf when a big wind comes up.
anyone have pics, parts, etc for adding a headsail downhaul for a CP19
-Ray
Ray,
The downhaul is very simple to add. It is basically just a small swivel block mounted on the bowsprit with an eyestrap. I positioned it to port and slightly aft of the forestay. Tie a 1/8" or 3/16" line to the snap shackle on the halyard then run the line though the block and outside of the stanchions and tie the other end to the lifeline or a stanchion base. I use a velcro strap to coil the downhaul line on the lifeline just to port of the halyard rope clutches.
When you raise the jib just let the downhaul line feed forward and up with the jib. When it is time to drop the jib release the jibs rope clutch and just pull the sail down with the downhaul. It is is really windy use either of the cleats to keep tension in the downhaul and it will prevent the jib from self launching again.
Some run the downhaul through a few of the hanks on the jib but I found that added to much friction and made it more likely to jam when trying to raise/lower the jib.
Shawn
We use the same system as Shawn does. It takes a bit of adjustment when you first set it up - alignment is the issue - but it works fine. We carry a storm sail and genny in addition to the 110. Its odd but we use the down haul like we used to use seat belts - only when its nasty! Lately though its good to use it going through the draw bridges. There is no question about the ease of using RF but some make the argument that reefiing especially in higher winds can damage the sail and ruins the sail shape.
Years ago we would take students on HideAway for thier lessons when the wind was too high for the DSIIs. We always had two instructors and up to two students on board. The the instructor assigned to me refused to sit in the cockpit insisting on standing by the mast all afternoon. She had long hair that was blowing all over the place and I was growing concerned she d fall off. finally I declared the lesson over and told her I was dropping the jib. I remember her looking at me then going forward as I operated the down haul. She turned abruptly and her long hair wrapped around all three shrouds on the starboard side - caught in-between the metal twists. She cut herself free but still refused to come back. I had furry rigging for months- Matt