The Admiral and I got out today for our first sail on our 19. It was a beautiful day in Madison with mild winds to get a feel for the new boat. Putting the boat in was about what we expected. We don't have a hitch extender, so the S10 4 Wheeler had to go in until the exhaust pipe was just starting to blow bubbles. The boat came off as well as one of the keel guides. We had to circle around the protected inlet to chase down the guide as it floated to the other side.
The 8 HP Mariner runs like new and is definitely more motor than the 19 needs. I think we could give someone a pretty good ride on a tube towed behind it. The recently completed NACA 0014 foiled rudder worked very nicely. It gave the tiller a very light feel with just enough weather helm for comfort.
We sailed in winds from 6 to 12 mph and were very surprised at how well the 19 moves along with such a small amount of wind. Having a boat with crisp sails was a pleasure. Instead of heeling with a gust of wind the boat just accelerates. We pulled out the genoa (135 I believe) and found it was brand new. The PO never used it and it was clean, crisp and new. I wish it was a 150 or 155, but I guess I shouldn't complain.
It is really nice to be able to walk around on the foredeck and feel stable. The 19 is quite stiff and really resists any heeling. The Admiral was a big fan of that characteristic.
Getting the boat back on the trailer was really easy even with the missing keel guide.
Overall we are glad we moved up from the 16. The extra room in the cabin is great, it sails flatter, and the extra cockpit width is really nice.
What we didn't like; Sucky keel guides, front stay was difficult to loosen and attach, and we miss the nice halyard cam cleats mounted on the mast of the 16.
She's a keeper.
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The Admiral working hard.
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Yes, that is the wayward keel guide strapped to the port rail.
Mike:
Let me be the first to congratulate you! The boat looks great and seems very clean. I like the colored non-skid deck sections- my 1985 doesn't have that and I gave a minutes thought to painting them. Only a minutes thought. Then I realized that whatever is painted will need to be repainted. They remain as they were.
Nice to see your Admiral at the helm. Mine just sits in her Pentagon giving orders.
A few notes: I like the regular cleats on the mast base. No moving parts, nothing to break and more positive, in my opinion. But I always tend to lean toward the more simple, being a simpleton. Hey- what's with the grey teak? Mike, Mike- you gotta get sandin', man!
I had the same experience when I sailed a 19- I appreciated the fact that they sail flatter than the 16's or 23's. Different designer, flatter bottom. I contemplated buying PeterG's 19 "Beagle" last summer but decided to keep the 23 and the Beagle is off to a new owner.
Glad the rudder worked out great. Mine will be tried out today. I put more pieces of blue tape on for extra strength.
Best to you and Brenda in this new adventure!
Bob23
Congrats on the maiden voyage! Boat looks great.
With regard to the halyard cleats, couple of stand up blocks, a double deck organizer, and a double rope clutch and you have them right where you sit. A couple of hundred bucks but she's worth it. Not really necessary unless you do a lot of single handling.
Noticed the sheet fairleads forward on the coaming. Is that typical on a 19?
Quote from: brackish on May 23, 2010, 06:26:46 AM
Noticed the sheet fairleads forward on the coaming. Is that typical on a 19?
The fairleads do seem pretty far forward, but they look to be the originals. The genoa tracks are nice and long which gives us plenty of adjustment. We ran the sheets outside of everything and it seemed to work well. There has been some discussion on this site about running them inside the shrouds vs. outside. We'll still be experimenting on that when we have more wind to work with and try pinching to the wind more.
Qoute from Bob23: Hey- what's with the grey teak? Mike, Mike- you gotta get sandin', man!
Bob, my daughter just graduated in Interior Design last week and she told me that Grey is THE in color for teak this year. I'm just a fashionable guy who keeps up with all the new trends. Bob, the Admiral probably had the tiller for 5 of the 7 hours we were on the water. I really enjoy sitting back watching the sights (including the Admiral) and relaxing while she does all the work.
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I knew it! I'm am so out of fashion with my varnished teak...wonder if I could paint it grey to be in with the in-crowd of teak?
The Admiral sailed for 5 hours? Does she have any sisters?
Bob23
Bob, Bob, Bob. "Paint it grey.." You really are out of the loop. It's natural grey weathering or nothing. I had to shop all over the country to find a 19 with just the right shade of grey weathered teak. And you think you can just upgrade by painting the teak? I'll bet you dye your hair too!
Mike
You are right, what was I thinking? There is no shortcut. To get the real look, I'll just have to sand all that horrible varnish off and let the teak go au natural. No wonder I haven't made an impression with the ladies.
But the hair is real gray...self-employed grey is the actual color. Fortunately, I've got a lot of gray hair!
Bob23..the aged
Don't bother putting sanding all your varnish off onto your to do list Bob. By the time you are done procrastinating the varnished look will be back in style anyway.
I tried the self-employed route for 4 years myself. My hair simply bypassed the gray stage and just went away.
You may still have a full head of hair, but I've got some really nice baseball hats.
Mike
There is only one kind of true baseball hat- Mets!
Hahahahaha!!
You didnt' stay self-employed long enough. For the first 5 years we pull our hair out. Next, our brains start coming out in the form of grey hair. It's really amazing.
Bob23...the Varnisher
Hey Newt - Can I get censored for hijacking my own topic?
Mike-
Congrats on the first new sail!
The admiral and I too have found the 19 to be more akin to our liking. The extra room to stretch out, the added feeling of security with less heal and more stability overall and a more comfortable deck are all big pluses.
I'll take a pic of the standup blocks, lead blocks and cleats that Brackish mentioned. They were standard on the XL. No complaints.
Will go on the 5th sail tonight if the wind cooperates. I went to the boat yesterday to do a few odds and ends but no wind to speak of for sailing.
Had an interesting experience with my dock neighbors that you guys won't believe! I was up on deck at the bow fitting the anchor and the neighbor came back into their slip after apparently drinking twelve bottles of scotch. Looking over my shoulder from the bow, the woman is IN THE WATER swimming holding onto the bow dock line!!! Mr. captain can't steer the pontoon for crap and is all sideways and mixed up..almost as if he didn't know which way to steer the boat to go right/left! I offered to help, not so concerned for the two Darwin's but more the lack of contact with Island Time. So I run over there and the distinguished captain is coming in sideways and headed into the dock. He's looking kinda like "Duh...what do I do..hiccup??" Instead of turning to miss the slip I had to grab his boat and guide into the dock. Meanwhile his admiral is still in the water. God knows what for.
So I guide the boat in, tie up the bow line (a very old, chafed and worn out line), el capitano steps off, ignores the rear dock line and starts talking to his wife. No care or concern for the rear dock line until I pipe up "Hey, grab the dock line, you're going to hit my boat". So he tied it up without so much of a thanks or really any acknowledgement whatsoever! They appeared about 50 years old which surprised me that Darwin had not taken them earlier.
Let's just say the marina folks will be getting a call from me today to see about moving slips away from these a$$hats!
Thanks Salty. The Admiral always stood down in the cabin with the sliding hatch wide open to easily reach the halyards on the 16. The 19 is a little too long for her to reach the halyards and mast cleats on the 19, so I'll definitely take a look at your pic's and get some parts on order. One other item I didn't mention on the new 19 is rigging the mainsheet. There isn't any kind of eyelet near the swiveling mainsheet cam to tie the end off on. I ended up attaching it to the port side stern cleat. This works, but I would think an attachment point (similar to the setup on the 16) would be better.
Here is a pic of the 16 that shows the small stainless steel eyelet just to the starboard of the mainsheet swivel.
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I'd laugh at your intoxicated dockmate, but my first attempt at docking the 19 wasn't exactly textbook either. Although I was just drinking water and Diet Pepsi all day, I had to take a couple of shots at the dock. The motor hangs so far down below the stern that the control stick is bent almost at 90 degrees which makes it really tough to operate the throttle and steering. I may have to investigate adding a middle setting on the motor mount which would keep the prop in the water and allow the controls to clear the transom better. The mount I had on the 16 had multiple setting where the new one only has up and down positions. I think I could mill out a couple of slots in the motor bracket arms which would solve that issue.
Best wishes,
Mike and Brenda
Greene,
I can't really tell from your picture, but on the 19s you should be able to attach the end of the main sheet to the same block that you adjust for the main. There may be a pin in the block that you can pull out and run a spliced end through, or you could just use a bowline.
Here is the block that was on my boat when she found me
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Here is the block I have on there now,
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I got these blocks from Gerry at Hutchins.
MG:
Are those factory brake lights on your 19 or did you go aftermarket?
Bob23
Billy;
I don't believe there was any kind of pin to attach to. I'll take a look when I get home tonight.
Bob;
On the CP16: The LED taillight and crutch assembly was from a previous owner of the CP16. It was easy to put on/off the boat and functioned as a decent mast crutch. If I would have kept the 16 I would have copied it and made it out of some more attractive wood and added carpet to the foot (where it rests on the lazarette).
On the CP19: I assume they are aftermarket because they are mounted on the PVC pipe guides on the trailer and looked about as cheap as they come. I have already removed the 4" square lights and ordered a pair of nice LED lights which are fitted to a 2 3/8" OD PVC pipe sections which mount right on the top of my guides posts. The 4" square ones stuck out too far and the light sockets were in poor condition. The new ones will be several inches higher than the 4" square ones which will make them easier to see from behind the boat. I'm not a big fan of mid-trailer tail lights because tailgaters probably can't see them. My plan is to add a middle brake light which mounts to the transom so even the tailgaters can see me stopping.
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Well, shoot, Greene I went sailing last night but forgot to take the camera. Will get these for you soon.
My mainsheet also does not have a tang to connect to at the stern but rather is spliced to the becket on the port side block just above the cam cleat. I sent this part off the West Marine to splice in a new sheet last month-nice and clean.
A knot should do for now though.
Added some more pics to look at mainsheet and halyard stuff on photobucket fer ya, Mike.
Thanks Salty. Our setup is similar to yours, so the next time we go out we'll rig it the same way.
We need to replace the mainsheet as it is too thick to feed smoothly. I did buy a nice length of BZZZ line for the 16 mainsheet (which I never installed), so if it is long enough I can use that. If if is too short I'll take it to the CLR and donate it as a door or race prize for the 16'ers.
Nice pics of a very pretty boat. I see you have a neat little speaker setup for your IPOD. Great minds (well at least mediocre) think alike. Since I didn't want to cut into the 19 to install a regular stereo, I bought a very similar Altec-Lansing radio with IPOD dock. I'm amazed at the sound that comes out of the little devil. It has a built in Lith-Ion battery so we can use it in the cabin or cockpit without a bunch of wires to deal with. We like some background music to listen to as we waste the day away.
The trailer lights came in today and my AGM 12v battery is "supposed" to be ready for pick up tomorrow. If all goes right we'll get at least one day of sailing in this weekend. I'm actually hoping to throw out the hook and see how over-nighting goes.
Have a great weekend.
Mike and Brenda
Cool...have fun sailing this weekend! Charge that battery when you get it.
That mainsheet is spliced. I don't beleive Bzzz line is spliceable. Not that I could do it if it was spliceable. But you'll love how it feels if it fits. 7mm size is for the CP16, 8mm for the CP19.
Will it fit as jib or genoa sheets? Then make or have made a nice splice on the becket? Seems much cleaner to me.
The 'lil "InMotion" unit there in the pics cranks for such a small thing too.. Had for 4 years now and going strong.
(Late entry) Mike keep it going- great thread!
A Day of Firsts.
We had a wonderful weekend of sailing. We dropped the 19 in on Lake Mendota (Madison, WI) and sailed in good winds of 12-13 mph with really choppy confused waves. Lake Mendota is known for creating bigger waves than the wind can account for and these were mixed in with the wakes of all the big power boats. It made for some fun and interesting sailing. We sailed for 5 hours in 87 degree temps with bright hot sunshine beating down. Brenda wanted to take a break (Ok, she said stop now!) so even though we were out in the sloppy waves we dropped the anchor in 20' of water and rested. I still can't believe she could sleep in the cabin with all the odd rocking an bucking the boat was doing. It was a really good test of the ground tackle for that nights anchoring.
We had some power boater friends call and ask if they could motor out to meet us and check out our new sailboat. They tied their boat behind ours and brought over all kinds of snacks for us to munch on. The wind cooperated and calmed way down which smoothed the lake out nicely for a raft up.
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They stayed and chatted until 9pm when there were some fireworks scheduled in Madison. We enjoyed some good fireworks and conversation.
We have never sailed at night, so this was going to be another first for us. The wind cooperated beautifully with a perfectly steady 9 mph wind on a beam reach. We sailed along silently 3 miles to the area we planned on anchoring for the night. There was enough light to see easily as we sailed along so quietly that we found ourselves whispering at times. We couldn't have had a more perfect first night sail.
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We sailed up to within 200 yards of the shoreline and dropped the bow mounted anchor with plenty of scope. I warned Brenda that we would be facing the other way in the morning because the winds were expected to pick up and turn 180 degrees from southerly to northerly. I didn't want her to wake up and look out the porthole and not see the shore that was there last night. We were both expecting to get some reading done after we anchored, but it was already 11:30pm which is late for us. We closed the cabin up and enjoyed the fresh breeze coming through the portholes. I only got up a couple of times to check the anchor. We slept pretty well for our first time anchoring out, but it still takes some time to identify all the little boat noises first.
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We got up around 8:30am and had some breakfast before deciding that with the rain clouds closing in it would be a good time to load her up for the day. This was the second time that we have motored up to the dock and it went much better than the first time. I left the rudder in the down position this time and it gave me much better control at slow speeds.
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A day of firsts that we hope will be just the beginning.
Mike and Brenda
Wonderful story and photos, Mike and Brenda:
Thanks for sharing.
Bob23
Thanks Bob. It sounds like you are on the water again. Summer has arrived!
Another couple pics.
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Mike and Brenda
I am, Mike.
Got out the other night for a great sunset sail. The new rudder seems to enable me to point higher than before. I sail out of and into a cove where lots of people show up to see the sunset over the Manahawkin Bay. So I'm always kinds nervous sailing up to the mooring without motor assist. In the past, I've put on quite a comedy show for the audience! This time, however, it was flawless. It almost seemed as if I knew what I was doing!
I promise before you and I get too old to see, I will post photos on the site. Thanks for the great coverage of your sailing adventures. Great encouragement!
Bob23
Salty,
I tried rigging the mainsheet the way your pictures showed, but we still had an issue with the line binding up. I took a couple of pictures with my cell phone (sorry about the awful quality) so you can see why I have an issue. I wonder if the cam support bracket on my set up is just bent up a few degrees to cause the binding between the cam cleat and the sheave? Maybe I just need to bend the bracket back down a little to get some clearance between them. I just looped the line through the becket and tied it in a knot so that is why there are two lines coming up from it. Now I have to learn how to splice line - I'll have to have someone "commence to splainin" how to do that.
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Mike
Looks like you and Brenda are really enjoying the new boat!
Thanks for the pictures, you're boat looks real good!
I'm thinking you have a few issues here to look at for your mainsheet.
-Line diameter. Use 8mm or 5/16" line. (8mm is slightly less than 5/16)
-Splice. Tie that knot close to the becket and secure the loose end with thread to the sheet. Or have it spliced/do it yourself. You want nothing loose there to obstruct things
-Line routing. I believe off the becket it will go up to the foreward block on the boom, down to starboard side block, on top of block and coming out the bottom, up to the aft block on the double then back down to the port lock and camcleat.At least that's what I recall at the moment. May need to experiment here.
Edit..wrongo. Line goes up from becket to aft block on double/boom, down under starboard block, up to foreward boom block, then down to port block/cam.
-mainsheet Cam cleat angle. I can't tell if it's too high or too low. But don't bend it, instead take off the block and unscrew the center screw holding the cam cleat arm. The arm will fit into different notches for the right height. Then replace screw and block, test. Mine looks fairly to be at a high angle.
Speaking of lines, my goal for lines this year is to have spliced as many lines as possible. Which should mean all of them except jib sheets.
Working now on a aft led single line jiffy reefing and 4:1 outhaul system. West Marine will be getting some more splicing business (they did a really good job and it was not expensive).
Salty,
I agree completely on the issue of line diameter on the mainsheet. It came with that fat ol' sheet and I know it needs to be replaced. It is funny that when I bought our 16 a couple years ago it had the same big fat line for a mainsheet. I wonder why people put them in as mainsheets. They are heavy enough to be an emergency tow rope.
I'll pop the cam off and see if there is any adjustment for the angle. It does look to me like it was bent up previously.
Mike