Laminated tiller, Ash and Walnut.
Test clamp.
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af200/brackish_photos/ImprovementsAriontiller001.jpg)
Real glue up.
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af200/brackish_photos/ImprovementsAriontiller005.jpg)
A pass through the jointer, then planer, then bandsaw to get the taper.
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af200/brackish_photos/ImprovementsAriontiller009.jpg)
Shaped the curves.
(http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af200/brackish_photos/ImprovementsAriontiller013.jpg)
Now for about six or eight coats of Bristol, all done.
Nice work!
Great job, Brack:
How has the Bristol finish held up for you? I used it on my old SeaPearl and didn't get a great life out of it but I think they've changed the formula. Any feedback?
Bob23
Quote from: Bob23 on April 06, 2010, 09:30:33 PM
Great job, Brack:
How has the Bristol finish held up for you? I used it on my old SeaPearl and didn't get a great life out of it but I think they've changed the formula. Any feedback?
Bob23
Bob, I've never used it. I'm trying it on the recommendation of a friend who uses it on his Carribiana skiff (one of those fancy skiffs looks like a Greek fishing boat) and swears by it. My exterior wood currently has Waterlox Marine on it and it has not held up very well at all. I'm doing everything with the Bristol this Spring. Time will tell...
Sweet!
Real sweet............I want brackish's work shop, that's real, real, real, sweet....................I don't think we're suppose to covety, but could not help myself....Phil
Thanks all, but it's easy if you have the "right stuff."
LOL Phil, it is easy to get the "right stuff" for your workshop if you happen to run the factory that makes it. We had a fairly liberal employee sale policy, and in fact encouraged employee's to engage in woodworking. That certainly always paid off in product development and testing. Put experienced woodworkers on the new product teams and very good things happen. The thing I need more than anything is about another 500 square feet of space.
Finishing up the rest of the winter boat projects and just in time, the Admiral wants her China Cabinet finished, she is just shy of bringing me up for court martial.
wonderful job---nothing like making something yourself
Very nice. Even if our projects end up costing more than the store bought version it is much more satisfying in the end. Enjoy your new stick.
Mike
Quote from: Greene on April 07, 2010, 06:01:46 PM
Very nice. Even if our projects end up costing more than the store bought version it is much more satisfying in the end. Enjoy your new stick.
Mike
Hey Mike, I got maybe five bucks worth of wood, glue and finish in that thing. Store bought is what $65-70?
Oh, you must mean that $30K worth of shop, machinery and tools. Hey, you can't count that, it's overhead. :)
I've guess the overhead should be ignored in most of our hobbies. I've always been amazed at what some of my relatives invest in hunting and fishing equipment to get the same stuff I buy at the grocery store for a little bit of nothing. A $2000 gun, $110 worth of ammo, hunting license, tree stand,camo clothes,..........ends up to equal an awful lot of dollars per pound of meat.
We all have that addiction don't we? The fun is in the doing.
Mike
Quote from: brackish on April 08, 2010, 09:08:25 AM
Hey Mike, I got maybe five bucks worth of wood, glue and finish in that thing. Store bought is what $65-70?
Oh, you must mean that $30K worth of shop, machinery and tools. Hey, you can't count that, it's overhead. :)
Excellent! I'd be happy to give ya twenty bucks for it. 300% pure profit, come on, what do ya say?
Oh, you want to get payed for your time too?
nevermind ( me leaving disappointed )
You know I'm jokin' ya, right? Really nice job, I wouldn't offer twenty bucks for any old thing.
mel
Gents:
The fun IS in the doing. I've been keeping track of the costs and time spent on my 23's wood rudder project, which is nearing completion. The satisfaction will be when I feel much less weather helm from the tiller and also seeing that nice, varnished Sapele blade hanging off the stern.
My friend Steve said I was nuts (not really debatable) that is was only a rudder, that I was going overboard. Isn't that kinda like saying our Compacs are only boats? Nay, Nay! May it never be!
Brack: That tiller is one of a kind...very nice. Keep us posted on the Bristol Finish if you think of it.
Bob23...not tired of sanding epoxy yet!
Quote from: Bob23 on April 08, 2010, 09:26:43 PM
The satisfaction will be when I feel much less weather helm from the tiller and also seeing that nice, varnished Sapele blade hanging off the stern.
Feeling less weather helm? Did you go a little longer on the tiller? The CP23 tiller is a little on the short side. I think a Cape Dory 22 tiller is long with a radical curve to get it over the coming.
Curtis
Curt:
My quote refers to my rudder conversion project. I didn't remake my tiller but have turned my factory flat aluminum blade into a wood foiled blade. I really need to learn to post photos here...I promise to try.
I'm expecting substantially less weather helm with the foil shape and I've moved more of the rudder body forward. I ain't no Herreshoff but I hope it works.
Bob23
Quote from: curtisv on April 09, 2010, 01:57:47 AM
Quote from: Bob23 on April 08, 2010, 09:26:43 PM
The satisfaction will be when I feel much less weather helm from the tiller and also seeing that nice, varnished Sapele blade hanging off the stern.
Feeling less weather helm? Did you go a little longer on the tiller? The CP23 tiller is a little on the short side. I think a Cape Dory 22 tiller is long with a radical curve to get it over the coming.
Curtis
I did go about two inches longer, felt that the OEM tiller was a little short. With my telescoping extension, I think it might be just right now, not so long it sweeps the whole cockpit clear when coming about, but long enough to be anywhere in the cockpit and steer.
Quote from: Bob23 on April 09, 2010, 04:48:29 AM
Curt:
My quote refers to my rudder conversion project. I didn't remake my tiller but have turned my factory flat aluminum blade into a wood foiled blade. I really need to learn to post photos here...I promise to try.
I'm expecting substantially less weather helm with the foil shape and I've moved more of the rudder body forward. I ain't no Herreshoff but I hope it works.
Bob23
Bob,
That makes a lot more sense. I bought one of the IdaMarine rudder and bought a new headsail in the same winter. It made a huge difference but I can't tell how much was the rudder and how much was the sail.
Curtis
I promise a full report after sea (bay) trials. I've made no other changes to "Koinonia" so this rudder project should prove interesting.
Bob23
Quote from: Bob23 on April 10, 2010, 03:39:44 AM
I promise a full report after sea (bay) trials. I've made no other changes to "Koinonia" so this rudder project should prove interesting.
Bob23
I still have my aluminum flat blade rudder and have intended to put it on one day and do a "same conditions" comparison, but never got around to it. It seemed like work to pull up in shallow water and change rudders twice, though we have to perfect beach to do it at nearby.
I look forward to your report. And pictures.
Curtis
If this rudder proves to be a success, I may be in the market for anyones unwanted flat aluminum blades. Of course I'd drive out to pick 'em up...can you imagine the shipping on that beast?
Bob23
Quote from: Bob23 on April 10, 2010, 08:22:21 PM
If this rudder proves to be a success, I may be in the market for anyones unwanted flat aluminum blades. Of course I'd drive out to pick 'em up...can you imagine the shipping on that beast?
Bob23
Are you going into the recycling business?
No. I'd love to build more wood rudders. This one, I realized part way through, is only a prototype. I could shave 1/3 the time off additional projects and even more if I built more than one at a time.
Hmm... I could expand to 16's and 19's. Of course I'll be the first to admit that you have to be a wood freak to appreciate this rudder. There will be some maintenance involved. Just like maintaining the teak we have on the exterior. The wood freak will just accept the work as a part of life and invest the time to keep it looking pretty.
All this work for something that, most of the time, is under water. Am I nuts?
Bob23
Quote from: Bob23 on April 11, 2010, 05:45:47 AM
No. I'd love to build more wood rudders. This one, I realized part way through, is only a prototype. I could shave 1/3 the time off additional projects and even more if I built more than one at a time.
Hmm... I could expand to 16's and 19's. Of course I'll be the first to admit that you have to be a wood freak to appreciate this rudder. There will be some maintenance involved. Just like maintaining the teak we have on the exterior. The wood freak will just accept the work as a part of life and invest the time to keep it looking pretty.
All this work for something that, most of the time, is under water. Am I nuts?
Bob23
You are definitely not nuts. I love woodwork as well but don't have the luxury to spend much time on it. So I have to pick occasional projects. Over the last few years I've had not time at all. If I did I would have been building the sculling oar that I've wanted to build for a few years now.
My next door neighbor is retired and he and his kids (in their 40s I think) build things at his house now and then like entire small vessels. Kayak size but still neat projects. I looked for photos but looks like I don't have any.
Curtis
I have the luxury of building things for a job and getting paid for it (most of the time). There are plans in the works for a small shop out back to build small boats, kayaks, etc. I'd love to build a sculling oar...if I ever get serious about it, we should brainstorm it.
Ahh...to be retired with enough money to build stuff for fun.
Bob23
Ahh...to be retired with enough money to build stuff for fun.
Bob23
Bob, that is exactly where I am! (well the retired part, not sure about the money part).
Half of the case good furniture in my house is home made and I have fun doing it. It is better than I can buy and costs far less. But I have to watch the Admiral, when that whip starts to crack, the fun can be taken out of it.
Now short poll, is two years to finish a china cabinet and sideboard too long?:)
I'll answer that question by posing another:
Can one put a price or time limit on quality? Is true quality that tangable so as to be defined in hours and dollars? When one pours one's soul into a project, can a deadline be demanded? NAY! May it never be.
At least these are some of the excuses I've tried...
Bob23
Bob 23, waxing poetically, uttered the following:
Can one put a price or time limit on quality? Is true quality that tangable so as to be defined in hours and dollars? When one pours one's soul into a project, can a deadline be demanded? NAY! May it never be.
LOL, I'm using that one verbatim the next time she gets on my case.
To be fair:
My Admirals response is something akin to: "Cut the crap and get it done!". But not quite that polite!
All kidding aside, she's pretty patient with me. I've been honing my gift of procrastination for over 57 years now and I'm proud to say that I'm damn good at it!
Bob23
Quote from: Bob23 on April 14, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
I've been honing my gift of procrastination for over 57 years now and I'm proud to say that I'm damn good at it!
About 3 or 4 years ago I bought some spruce to build a sculling oar. I think its dry by now.
Curtis