Okay, this is my first boat with the furler.
Last summer I took the head sail off and now is time to put her back on.
Well I worked through most of it from memory, or whats left of it.
Now the question...
I tie the sail on and pull her up as I feed the bolt into the slot. Great, all works fine but once she is at the top I now have a length of line dangling down.
What to do with it?
It rolls up with the sail so I can't tie it off and it's not long enough to tie off down at the furler. I just can't seem to remember how the PO had it rigged.
Any ideas would be much help.
Thanks,
-Kevin
I'm thinking, lower the halyard enough so that the short line can be secured to the furler drum. Then re-tension the halyard.
I just found out recently when ordering new sails that Dacron shrinks over time, so perhaps the sail won't go to max. hoist anymore.
I guess it is the halyard that I'm speaking about.
As seen in the pick it wraps around the sail when furled.
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x303/Seaward22/furler.jpg)
I am assuming that once the sail is pulled up the halyard runs back down the leading edge and ties off at the drum.
???
-Kevin
Kev, that's kind of what mine does. Like any halyard, it needs to be tied off somewhere and being a roller furler, mine ties off at the drum. There is also a downhaul which ties off at the drum.
Bob23, a furlin'!
Yes that seemed to do the trick. I also learned ya have to cleat off that furler line.
With that storm over night I was awakened by the 'Admiral' to tell me the sail was flapping in the breeze.
I sprung from my bed to find the head sail catching wind trying to jerk the boat off the trailer. Nothing like wrestling a sail at 3am with 30 to 40kt gusts. Always seem to have to learn things the hard way.
;)
-Kevin
Kevin,
I have a Harken furler that the halyard works like a regular jib halyard...you cleat it on the mast or in the cockpit. I say whatever works. Sorry you had your girl misbehaving at night. My teenager does that sometimes too...and often demands I get up and tend to business. I just wish I had a adolescent cleat.
Aye, Kevin...be glad your ship wasn't moored that night...I got no sleep although Koinonia came through fine. I have 3 safeguards against that happening: First, is cleat off the furling line tight. Second, I tie a sail tie around the jib itselft. And thirdly, I tie a small line around the foil to each side of the bow pulpit. She held fast in the 60+ mph gusts on Monday.
Bob23, sleeping soundly now.
So Bob any recommendations for your teenager on Prom night? That's kinda like a 60knt wind...
Prayer... and threats! And batten down just in case of the worst.
Kevin,
You seem to have a CDI furler with the "internal halyard" that CDI thinks is such a great feature.
Most furlers have a halyard that works like any hank on jib halyard.
CDI has a halyard that is supposed to end up inside the foil. You send up a messenger line to bend off (remove) the sail and retreive the messange line when bending on the sail. The halyard should end up inside the foil and should be long enough to tie off to the furler drum.
I had a CDI and switched to a ProFurl.
Curtis
Good morning
As far as I understand , you halyard up your headsail and end up with tangling line at the bottom...
I have an FF2 on a CP23 and:
A : with a messenger , I pull down the internal halyard all the way to the deck.By doing so , automatically goes up a little ferrule ( named as such by CDI ) alll the way to the top of the headstay-luff combination on the fwd edge of the rail...Dont forget to messenger it also !!!!
Bowline your halyard to headsail , lead in the bolt in the sailtrack on the luff and pull on your ferrule' messenger line till ferrule is back down and headsail way up
Tension by ataching to spool with 1/8 in line aprox 4 ft will allow you to make multiple turns
Then install another line to tack and use as cunningham pulling down on the luff of the sail and ataching to spool again
Those should be the only two lines you would have dangling down before you tied them and yes , they roll with the sail
P.S. My terminology might not be 100% acurate since english is only my 3rd language
Bonne journée
JF air
My 27 had a CDI when I got it. The first and most important improvement made was replacement of the CDI, with anything.
Just my $.02
Would like to know why???
jf air
RE the photo with the haulyard wrapped around the sail.
I have a CDI furler and if your picture is accurate, you are feeding the haulyard in to the Haulyard top fitting (HTF)from the wrong direction. The haulyard does not wrap around the sail.
It comes straight down to the furling drum and is tied off for the rest of the time the sail is up. You don't need to fuss with it again. The instructions from CDI are available on line. I have a CP16 with a CDI FF1 these are the instructions I used to set it up:
http://www.sailcdi.com/sailpdf/FF1%20manual%207_06.pdf
(BTW - I suggest that if you are having trouble raising the sail that you try a dry lubricant on the slot. (I used a silicon spray.)
When the sail is furled, I have a couple of wraps of the jib sheets around the furled body, then I cleat the sheets as well as the line on the furling drum.
It the installation directions are followed it is all pretty easy and the use under sail, I find to be trouble free.
Once it is up I have found no problems with CDI and I'd like to know what problems,others have seen that makes them unhappy.
Bob
Quote from: JF AIR on June 20, 2008, 06:41:19 AM
Would like to know why???
jf air
I switched from CDI to ProFurl a few years ago. I wrote why on my web page.
http://www.faster-light.net/remote-access/sails+sail-handling.html (http://www.faster-light.net/remote-access/sails+sail-handling.html)
For most people the CDI is just fine and it is less than half the price of other furlers. CDI does stand behind their product. When I had the furler I needed a clevis pin that they list for $12. Even though I dropped it overboard and it was no fault of theirs when I called CDI, they just dropped it in the mail for free. ProFurl parts are very expensive and you don't get any breaks off the price.
I also wrote about my not so smooth initial installation of the ProFurl.
http://www.faster-light.net/remote-access/projects_S_R.html#3 (http://www.faster-light.net/remote-access/projects_S_R.html#3)
I should update that page (maybe both). Since the first year when I installed the ProFurl it has performed almost flawlessly. The second season I improved the position of the first block that feeds the line onto the furler and since then everything has worked perfectly. At this point I have it installed well and there are no jams at all.
With every furtler you can't let the furling line sag when the sail is in use. The line on the drum will sag and it can cause a riding turn or a jam. This can be solved easily enough with a strategically placed stopper knot in the furling line.
Curtis
Quote from: JF AIR on June 20, 2008, 06:41:19 AM
Would like to know why???
jf air
The CDI on my boat did not work. At least not without a lot of effort. I replaced it with a Plastimo and have not had a single problem. It is so much smoother and easier to operate, even for my wife.
Curtis
I read your posting with real interest. Very informative, thanks. I think you are probably correct in your statements about the CDI as they pertain to your use. You said: "The CDI roller furler may be an outstanding product for its intended use." and " as many skippers simply won't set sail when a small craft advisory is issued and many small lake sailors seldom see a 20 knots breeze."
I am one of those skippers that don't set sail in a 16' boat when small craft warnings are issued; and if I did I would not be trying to fly a 150% jib. You are obviously a braver man than I.
That said: a CP16 with the CDI FF1 works really well for me. I only use a 110% jib and I can reel the sail in or out at any time under all conditions (so far) with nary a problem. I think the key here is the term intended use and matcing the boat, sails and hardware to the body of water that you are going to sail.
Bob
Quote from: rchiare1 on June 24, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
Curtis
I read your posting with real interest. Very informative, thanks. I think you are probably correct in your statements about the CDI as they pertain to your use. You said: "The CDI roller furler may be an outstanding product for its intended use." and " as many skippers simply won't set sail when a small craft advisory is issued and many small lake sailors seldom see a 20 knots breeze."
I am one of those skippers that don't set sail in a 16' boat when small craft warnings are issued; and if I did I would not be trying to fly a 150% jib. You are obviously a braver man than I.
That said: a CP16 with the CDI FF1 works really well for me. I only use a 110% jib and I can reel the sail in or out at any time under all conditions (so far) with nary a problem. I think the key here is the term intended use and matcing the boat, sails and hardware to the body of water that you are going to sail.
Bob
Bob,
You hit it exactly. The CP23 and CP16 are different boats. The CP16 has a very small jib. Whether the CDI will work well depends on your boat, where you sail and the conditions that you sail in. Some of us are say "works fine for me" others find it doesn't work.
Curtis
I have CDI roller furling on my 16/3 that works just fine.
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