Wait a minute, What happened here?
All I read is so and so boat is for sale.
What happened to all the good information being shared by us sailors?
This is beginning to be a 'NO FUN' site and I for one don't like it.
I think that "we" made a mistake by allowing the ads to be where they were moved to.
That's my two cents and I'm going away for a while since I'm not selling a boat nor buying a boat.
Sorry to be negative...but look at the posts!! skip.
Hang in there Skippy, I'd say it's been a long hot Summer and the bad economy is taking it's tole on sailors. I know I've been hiding at night tired from all the work I'm doing for other people and NOT sailing enough.
Took my wife's long lost cousin and her new husband out last week and had a great time, I think I let it out of the bag that I ran aground since the reservoir is so low this year. Total lack of rain here in Southern Indiana.
It may take awhile but sailors will be back to talk. I haven't looked in on the other com pac site for quite a while, will do so and check their activity.
Take a deep breath and tighten that sheet,
Steve
Both of you make valid points. I just figured folks were out there sailing instead of reading the forum. I'd encourage anyone to post sailing adventures in the "Articles" section with a few photos to boot. Tell us about your summer sailing, if you haven't already.
I recently read that a NC sailing group will be adventuring to the coast in early October. That should be good reading as well.
As for me, I'm still living life as it comes to me (rushing) and trying to work on my projects (labor of love). I'll be posting some more about the project soon. I essentially sail vicariously through others, this summer. Soon, maybe soon.
As for the forum, I am so glad you guys are administering it. CaptK did a great job revitalizing it. All of the Admins have taken the reigns nicely!! My only concern is regarding the Spammers that get on. Is there any way for them to get into our computers by cookie or other methods? Reason I ask, I was visiting another sailing site when I saw the same spammer's name on this site and the very next sailing site I visited. Kinda scary to me.
Skip, keep your chin up. (Sailors look up while the lubbers are looking down, ya know.)
All Admins, Thanks for your work on this site!!
Everyone else, feel free to tell about your sailing and repair work in the appropriate Topic.
Thanks,
Paul
Skip!
I enjoy reading your posts. Often think of going north for a spell and looking up a few of the upper mid-west sailors. I learned how to sail on Lake Michigan and everytime I get sent up that way I get a 3000 ft view of the lakefront. For the time being I'm stuck with work and long hours. I've had a leaky fore hatch, I replaced with a modern aluminum, lexan hatch. Had to cut out the base to fit, and then build up under the molding. I will be joining a few local sailors in October for a three day cruise in Tennessee, hopefully it won't be the only time it rains like it did last year. I try to get away at least once a week, if only to fire up the outboard and stretch out the sails.
We've had strong winds, no winds and almost no rain for weeks.
I know there's some that are selling their boats for all kinds of reasons. The good news is there's as many buyers.
Sail on guys.
Since I began watching this site in June of 2007, the registered users have gone from around 800 to now over 1,500. A quick look at the stats page shows that all but a very few of the 700 newly registered users have never posted anything. I have to wonder what is going on. I enjoy this site a great deal and I would have to say the free exchange of ideas and support among the owners here was a factor in my decision to buy a Com-Pac. There may be better sites out there for sailors, but I am not aware of them. Obviously this site is well organized and has lots of great features, but the most important thing about this site is the people who contribute and the quality of their contributions. I really appreciate guys like Skip, Paul, Gil, Craig, Lee, Bob23, Multimedia-Smith, CaptK, Kevin, etc. for taking the time to share and encourage others in the quest for sail. These guys need to know their efforts are appreciated; a short reply to their posts to say thanks, to add a comment or request more information is a good way to keep these topics alive and interesting. I encourage the many guest that I see on the site to go ahead and register so you can begin occasionally sharing some of your experiences too and for the old salts, keep up the good work. I am one of the many who greatly appreciate it.
Hey Skip... although we should be calling you "Skipper"...
I agree both with you and the other posters on this thread...
Keep the faith... I think the folks who don't live in the tropics are trying to get their last few sailing days in before they have to pull the boats out... as for me.. I'll be out this weekend for the first time in a long hot while. Our season is just beginning!
I have a new project to share as soon as I put the pics together. One of my friends just got a 16 too. He'll be joining us shortly. I've been posting with some folks getting their rigs together and things are overall looking up.
I do think we should keep the classifieds separately listed in their own area.
Keep 'em Flying
Dale
Yea. Things do get a little slow around here I have noticed. I wish people who are "Ghosting" on this site would chime in. There is always the same people who keep things going and it's nice to have leaders like that. But sometimes those leaders are away and then things slow down. I think people get nervous about posting. It's similar to speaking in front of a crowd except your post don't go away and I think people are nervous about that. Don't want to look stupid.
Well I want to encourage all to not think that way. Sailors can be a snotty lot, history shows that. I have run across that a time or two in this forum. It put me off but it was only a few occasions and it wasn't personal. Lot's of excellent information in here. I wish more would participate. I myself like to shake things up and think outside the box. Heck, I sold my 16 and bought a Catalina 18 (Hard to find Com-Pac's in the west). Not going to keep me away from this site though. I have a few projects I want to do to the Cat that I will post on this site that I think will encourage others to think and might give them ideas for their boat. Doesn't matter that it isn't a Com-Pac. I wish Catalina's had a following like this site here but they don't or I haven't found it yet. I still keep in contact with the new owner of my 16 cause I miss that boat (actually had a few tears when I saw it rolling away) but wife says I didn't need two. What does she know?....
Well, I am rambling on here. There is a good thing going here. Needs to keep going and I'm sure it will. Those who aren't sharing yet, chime in. This is for everyone to learn, share in project and sailing adventure and be entertained.
Kevin, I am showing the signs of your path. Already have my eye on a 2005 Catalina 22. Can't beat the simplicity of the 16 though. Would be my third boat in short time. (Get out of my way wife :)...
Lee...
This will make you feel better:
Last weekend, because there was no other option, I pulled my 16 out of the garage, rigged the boat in the back yard, and sat in the cockpit having cocktails while holding onto the tiller and looking over her bow...just dreaming...
But it got me through another week....
No lie. I have pictures.
Well yes there are a lot of vessel's for sale...mine included.
I still haven't written up in detail about Compcon 07 and I should get to that...soonish.
I keep messin' about with the Seaward and wonder what I got myself into. Who knows come spring I might dump that as well and get me a 16 again, it sure was a nice simple boat.
...and I could put it on a mooring next to Bob23's boat. Use the 1500 slip payment for the kids college. My wife and daughter have also ditched me as of late when it comes to sailing, I think singlehanding is the future I am afraid.
Anyway...next weekend I have my next ASA course, Basic Coastal Cruising on a 28' inboard sloop with wheel steering...should be fun.
Love this site and thanks to all those that make it happen.
I pretty much never go to the yahoo site, just hate the layout there.
-Kevin
I hate to be accused of "ghosting" but if the shoe fits... I check this forum daily and enjoy it very much, but seldom post. I have also benefited from numerous posts, pictures, et al. Since purchasing our new CP-16 (used) we have only sailed her twice primarily due to the temperatures here in Western Central Florida. We are escapees from Michigan and unlike those who are contemplating the coming of ice & snow, we are looking forward to cooler weather in the coming months. Unlike what is (probably) the majority of the CP folks, we have gone from larger to smaller boats. Our last boat was a Sabre 30 which we kept on Lake Huron and cruised and raced extensively. Although I miss sailing the larger boats, I love the ease of maintenance of the small trailable boat. Sailing is still great whether it's on a sunfish or a large yacht. I will say I miss the racing - there seems to be little interest in sailing in general, not to mention racing in our location - just not enough "blow boats." I am of the opinion that there is absolutely nothing like racing around a triangle buoy course that can teach a person how to sail his boat.
OK - enough of my rambling post.
Hey Skip, hang in there for a little longer and all us northern sailors will be back in force. Here in Michigan between exterior repairs on my house and sailing there's not much more free time left.
This is my first season with a CP 23 and I'm loving it. Last Sunday we had 19 kt winds and 6-8 foot waves on Lake Michigan that we lovingly refer to as "the big lake". The boat did much better than the rest of my crew.
Roger
PS: you sound a little like you're pouting Skip :-)
The bad news ... for whatever the reason, some folks are selling their boats.
The good news.... for every boat sold, there will be a new proud owner of a Compac. ... and some will find their way here and have plenty of questions
Good selling and sailing
Cheer up skip, this is the only sailing forum site for this non computer person. I am in the same boat as Dale with the season just starting. Last nite I pulled NUM1GIN out of her hole in the shop and washed the dirt off. October is time for my wife and me to go on our over night sail, a yearly tradition! The summer has been extra hot and I have been to busy to go to the lake, but I will make time this winter. BILL BTW cp 16 for sail lol
Hi Mates,
First I wish to thank spaul for adjusting the location of my crabby post to a more suitable header.
I was a taken back by the number of respondants. You guys are great.
I was wondering about spaul's reservoir as it may be the very same reservoir that I boated on when travailing down to Indiana to see a prospect for a paintline...we had a bit of an office meeting then suddenly the good fellow says, "I'm going boating, are you?" "Why yes!. I never thought you'd ask."
It was a great time boating in something about 20 foot long, maybe a Caravelle speed boat. As we motored south [?] we came to a highway bridge that was too low to pass through and going north [?] were islands twisting along the channel and that end of the reservoir the wilderness was pretty neat. Nice little yacht club too.
As for fall it's the best time to go boating in Door County, Wisconsin. The news has even started to forcast the 'color report'. As I sail about I see huge expanses of tree far in the distance and a few white stone quarries. The very same stone that went to Chicago and Pestigo [Actually Pestigo had a much larger fire.] to rebuild that city after the great fires of when ever.
And dummy me, I never looked at the fact that every Com-Pac sold is a new owner and that we are all doing other summer projects...so with my course more finely adjusted I shall continue to sail as if all my winds are fair...Thanks again guys. skip.
spaul; is it ever possible to sail enough?, crbak; Administrator extraordinarily Fine, Ricy - Rose; Everyone ought to post, Mulitmedia smith; Does the sailing season ever quit?, Ilbuildit: Rampbling on...my question is there any water to be found in the West? Photo Ed; Cocktails in the cockpit. I like that!, Gypsy Soul; Ditched for the Mall. Solo again, Fiddlerami; Ghosts ought to post too, RogerDoger; The best waves are big Lake Michigan Waves. The one you can't see over from the cockpit, Pelican; Selling creates new skippers, Bhart; A clean boat is the first step, spaul; Paul; I always watch my sails. Thank you all sailors. skip.
Skip. Always good to blow off a little steam if one needs too. I see it as a "Reset" button. Glad to see you back after a short time.
Your question, "Is there any water to be found in the west"? Answer is, kinda. We really don't have big bodies of water here. The Front Range reservoirs are so busy with water skiing and the lakes aren't all that big that it gets dangerous and always very choppy. One lake North of Denver has a large presence of sailboats and the Yacht Club does so much on that water that the sailors basically own the lake. I sail Lake Dillon which is located in Summit County. Home of some of the best ski areas in the world. Also home of the Nations highest Yacht Club, Dillon Yacht Club at 9,017 Ft. Water temp ranges from 38 to 43 degrees so no water skiing at all. Strangely enough Colorado is home to one of the largest populations of Scuba Divers as well though they travel other places for diving. Sailing a high mountain lake is simply gorgeous!!! Our fall colors are turning now as well (We only generally get Green, Gold, dead, colors supposedly because of the elevation. Bit of trivia here, it is something like 82% of elevations above 8000 ft in North America is in Colorado. The wind on Lake Dillon will change 900 degrees direction in five minutes time. Makes for some challenging sailing (like it was this weekend).
Two other large bodies (and they are large bodies) of water is Pueblo res down south and Blue Mesa res on the Western Slope, with the latter being a very pretty place. So for you and anyone else just wondering what is the water like in the West? Well, in Colorado it isn't the best, but what we make do with here is quite nice.
Lee...
Where are all the guys from the west cost ?
I see large Com Pacs sailing out of Ventura and Oxnard Calif. but I haven't seen any Com Pac Trailer able boats, there must be some out here some place !
I should have looked you up Skip, we spent the weekend in Sturgeon Bay last weekend. Ate prime rib at Nightingales, lunch in Fish Creek, and I can't believe that JJ's on the Bay is now an Applebees! We also ate at Perry's Cherry Diner, perhaps the last time we'll ever eat there if they actually sell the place. Sad to see that icon go....
We scouted out the area, and we took home a contract for a seasonal site at Tranquil Timbers Campground. $1800 a year, but it would allow us to leave a 'home' in SB and we could trailer the 19 up. We would be allowed to leave the boat in the campground even (they have a parking area for boats) during longer trips.
We saw a monstrous catamaran pull into Fish Creek - it had to be a 40 footer, the skipper said she'd do 11 1/2 knots and had four double berths...
We're planning one more trip up this fall and I'll be sure to call if I get any advance notice at all. The way it's been all summer though is booked solid until something falls through, then we make instant plan revisions.
Skip, I hope I represent the position of "new Blood". Stick around for folks like me. I have lots of sailing experience but I'm a rank newbee as far these boats are concerned.
ick
Hi Skip I usually hang out on the Yahoo site, and drop by to see whats been dicussed. The Yahoo site is quite also. Here is a story which happened July 29 in the Fore river Portland, Me
I just got the boat back from being fixed and its mid October! While returning from a lunch time sail we we're broad sided. A steel hulled for hire 70' schooner was setting its sails. I was under sail jib only, the outboard was out of the water. I saw the schooner idle in the middle of the harbor. Then I noticed It began to move perpendicular to traffic...then the sails started to be unfurled. I was surprised at her speed she was being pushed by tug. I tried to avoid her but the jib luffed and I was hit amidships. The mast snapped and came down. As I sat in the cockpit with shrouds, stays, sails cluttering CaraMia I thought to my self this can't be happening. The crew apologized for the collision. We filed a reports with the Harbor Master and the Coast Guard. Sailing season is just getting started........there must be a greater meaning to this :o(
(http://roadman.zoints.com/image/72944-DismastedJuly07)
It's simple. You are lucky to be alive. Now sue the yardarms off that garbage scow. Her master or the pilot should lose their license. This goes for the tug as well. NYS law has provisions for operation without due care including depraved indifference to human life. Your local laws will vary. This does not constitute legal advice.
ick
A new boat would be nice !
May be not realistic but, I would certainly get the best quality replacement parts along with best boat repair service available.
You would ASS-U-ME that when an you are involved in an incident that, like in auto, you exchange insurance info get it fixed,get on with life. Not so fast of the water....this is what I wrote the Harbor Commission last week. We love the Maine coast. This year we got a mooring at the CYC on the Fore River. Due to weather the season started late. Then on July 27 I was involved in a collision with a commercial passenger The SV Frances a for hire sail boat based in the Fore River. I was hit broad side and dis masted. My mast and sails fell to the deck. Seeing the jagged broken mast laying on the deck. It was very fortunate that myself or the 30 or so passengers on the other vessel were not seriously injured or killed. I hailed the Harbor Master who wrote down my personal information, while he was also trying to contact the Coast Guard. It was 30 minutes later that the Coast Guard showed up. By then I had been towed back to my club, which is next door to the CG station. Since then I have tried to communicate with the company who operates the vessel, Maine Sailing Adventures, I have emailed, called three times, and asked for insurance information. Freely offered mine. They do not respond. I have been trying to get a copy of the accident report I filed with the harbor master and the Coast Guard. I have called the Harbor Master three times and left a message, wrote a letter requesting a copy of the report I filed. No response by phone or mail. The Coast Guard I have called 5 times to the accident office and wrote a letter requesting a copy of the report I filed. Again no return phone call or letter response, even when promised by Lt Ed Green who heads up the investigation dept. Now three months later the incompetence of our harbor enforcement is bugging me. Last week I again called the Coast Guard. I was connected to the investigation office of Chief Walberg. After explaining my frustration of only wanting a copy of the report I filled out, I was promised by his polite subordinate my call would be returned. Now a week later my frustration is just as intense. How can I get those I trust to protect me to respond? The Harbor Master responded quickly. I also contacted the member of Congress for the district covering Portland, Me and my congressman here in NH. That should kick the CG up a notch. I spoke with a CG subordinate (read that low rank). She explained that it was still in progress of being investigated. it should be finished by the first of the year!! then it goes to a higher committee to be approved. If not approved it will be returned to be resubmitted!! When I asked why it takes soooo long, the answer is they have higher priority investigations going on. My impression of the CG is if you asked them to build a dog house. While one held the nail and the other held the hammer....they would wonder what is supposed to happened next...may be the nail hits the hammer.....we should investigate!! To be continued.........
Get a LAWER now! One who knows something about maritime law! Go to the offices of the company who owns the vessel which hit you. All it's documents should be available for public review. I'm sure they are hoping you will go away. Do you have insurance? Don't let the CG off the hook either.
ick
You sure are lucky that is all that happened.
I can see why now in the ASA sailing class when discussing the rules of the road they tell you to steer clear of larger vessels.
Best wishes for a speedy repair.
-Kevin
I try to abide by the (technical) rules on the water, but when in the vicinity of a larger vessel I always contemplate the "other" rule "Might makes right." I have seen smaller lighter racing yachts on starbord tack and hailing "starbord" to a larger heavier port tacker receive a the response "CQR!" Now that will make a skipper tighten his grip on the tiller!! (the response of "CQR" was in jest, of course)
A shot across the bow is always the correct course of action in this instance (:)). I will not yield my rights even if it requires extraordinary actions. The size of my opponent does not frighten me. I will yield if they are deemed helpless to comply with the law and social custom. Otherwise its their a** (if you know what I mean). I will board other vessels if necessary. I do know the law. Might means nothing to the informed citizen. avoid collision if it's within your power. Prosecute to the full extent of the law nonetheless! Just because you are sailing a 16 foot boat doesn't indicate you have no rights. Don't back down. Bob P WHTMTS by now I'd have em by the short and curlies. Like out of business. Think press release. Stand up MAN! You can affect their business! You have pictures! Make a police a report with your local authorities! Contact the district attorney. File a cessation of business action in civil court! Press charges against the Skipper! Wrongful damages. Grieve the Coast guard for dragging their feet! I'd tie the wreck of you boat to their dock. Picket. Drum up support from the local jyacht clubs and commercial fishing folks. go get em! Everyone needs a hobby! Mess with the bull you get the horns.
ick
Whoa there big guy! Those were sails on the other boat, not a windmill!
TG
Quote from: Bob P WHTMTS on October 31, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
I was surprised at her speed she was being pushed by tug.
She was under power as the post stated. Motive power by TUG! They are entirely at fault!
ick
You guys would make one hell of a support team.....if you were standing next to me coaching. Yesterday I spoke with the Rear Admiral at the club. He asked how things we're going. I gave him the facts....which I shared here. He said HELL!! I be down the standing in front of the owners desk with the accident report. Letting them know their operator had violated at least 6 of the Rules of the Road. We can settle on the damages to my boat or go to court. Then the settlement will be at least twice the price and possiblity not covered by insurance!! This may happen this Friday if I have the seeds and courage :o
About the post is reference to this dismasting. I comply with the rules of the road, stay away for larger vessels. I have taken Power Sq courses, Coast Guard Nav course. I did not apper a collision was an issue until we we're with in 100'. Prior to that I had plenty of room to pass under sail at my current speed. I suddenly realized the vessel had picked up speed unusually quicker than what I would have expected a vessel of that tonnage would have. What I was unaware of was the tug pushing it. Also I should mention this 70' vessel was in the harbor, crossing perpendicular to the normal traffic pattern. The harbor isn't more than a 1/2 mile wide. When it became apparent we were on a possibly collision course Ii was going for the horn, but decided to fall off course....but I may put myself in more danger of a collision, then realizing the slow hull speed falling off was not a good choice. I maintained my course thinking I will just make it...then so slow but so fast!! I still think about it how would I do it different, other than not being there I would not have changed any decision. I still can't believe it happened.....com'n the boats are so big you can't not see them, there going so slow...... Here is a shot of the damage looking aft. Look how the PVC track for the RF is bent. Also you can see the other side of the harbor, the incident happened a 1/4 mile to the right. (http://roadman.zoints.com/image/73183-LookingacrosstheForeRiver)
Remind me not to sail in the vicinity of Ick. He apparently doesn't know the law, doesn't care, and probably can't sail if his life depended on it! Guys like this are dangerous and are usually found at the helms of powerboats.
Bob23 in "Koinonia"
Quote from: Bob23 on November 09, 2007, 05:51:58 PM
Remind me not to sail in the vicinity of Ick. He apparently doesn't know the law, doesn't care, and probably can't sail if his life depended on it! Guys like this are dangerous and are usually found at the helms of powerboats.
Bob23 in "Koinonia"
Beware of blowhards without sense of humor. You don't know me from Adam so don't try to figure out who I am from a few posts. I wouldn't do this to you even if I thought you were a idiot. But I guess you had to go and prove it to everone anyway. Nice job.
ick
PS: By the way if this was an attempt at humor I didn't get it. Sorry.
Quote from: Bob23 on November 09, 2007, 05:51:58 PM
Remind me not to sail in the vicinity of Ick. He apparently doesn't know the law, doesn't care, and probably can't sail if his life depended on it! Guys like this are dangerous and are usually found at the helms of powerboats.
Bob23 in "Koinonia"
I'll jump in here too since I hijacked this thread. I know the laws of the road, sea and try to obey them. Sometimes accidents just happen. Ick seems like a straight shooter by his writings, but your above assumtion of him has me wondering about you. Bob23 after reading a police report imagine how many DUI operators are around you on any given hour. Do you feel safe.......you know the law!
Bob P
Settle down, boys! Talk about not having a sense of humor...
Ouch, sorry to hear that you got run down and things are not getting fixed. I know I would be sick if that were my boat.
Say how did this become so convoluted? Sorry I STARTED THIS. I'm shocked how personal and ouchy this became. Just relax abit. Go sailing. skip.
I think Bob and I have worked this out so no more needs be said.
ick
HEAR HEAR! I'LL DRINK TO THAT! But not now, at 5:00 am. Yes, I am guilty of shooting my mouth off at just the right time. Ick, sorry if I offended you in any way. That certainly was not my intent. I think if we ever to meet in person, we'd be very good friends. Not knowing where you live, that may or may not ever happen. But my best to you and your family for now and the coming future!
On a more somber note, tomorrow is haul-out day for "Koinonia", always a
sad day for me; signals the official end of the sailing season. But I have some die-hard friends who leave their boats in year-round so maybe I get to crew aboard!
We always enjoyed the mid-winter break of the Atlantic City Boat sailboat show and when that went defunt, the Philly show. But, alas, this year is neither, so we'll have to cold turkey it.
WOW! How appropo...cold turkey...get it?
Again, my apologies to Ick and anyone else I may have offended here.
Signing off, bob23
Bob, I am from Suffolk County NY and sail in the Peconic Bays and Long Island Sound. Not that far away.
ick
We had a Compac Convergence in Barnegat Bay this past summer. There was a grand total of 3 boats, including 2 Pacs. Weather was great, we had a great time. Maybe we can lure you down for 2008! Till then, my days will be spend planning- "Koinonia" sits in my back yard on her trailer...yes, she was hauled today.
It could happen!
ick
i think my little 16 is therapy in more ways than one. i sometime go out in the garage and look her over, check and make sure everything is in order below and just run my fingers down her flanks ( no wonder boats are called "she"). i named the little bugger "kickinbug" after another little bugger my one year old granddaughter (kickinbug was the nickname i gave her). anyway i got back into sailing cause that was something my wife sarah and i shared years ago.
i look forward to much advice ( i need it) and will add some ideas from time to time. i cant think of any other group but sailers who tinker and come up with great ideas to be safer and have more fun thanks from the both of us