Well, we've gotten down to the nitty gritty of the refit on my 1993 23/3. Complete tear down. Hundreds of holes filled in. It will get a new interior with a few modifications. I've learned a lot about this boat by taking it apart. New Alexseal topside paint this winter; Flag Blue hull with white top. It sat for years in the water behind the prior owner's home, filled with water and unloved.
I have a bunch of photos to upload.
Photos of the boat under construction at Hutchins in late 1992.
More photos.
Wow, did you see the brass shine on those ports? How cool to have the original construction photos. You must have one of the first 23s to have the bow sprit.
Can't wait to see the re-finished product.
TG
Ahoy, Marine!
Thank you for posting these wonderful pictures. I have been involved with my own project, completely refitting an '87 CP-16. It has been a fun project, and I removed all the original concrete ballast, like you have done. I plan to replace with 450 lbs of lead ballast, ingots and shot, which I will encapsulate in epoxy resin. I am waiting for my fast setting catalyst to arrive, and I should start setting the lead in the keel over the Thanksgiving week.
Even though I still have a lot of work to do, I am already thinking about my next project. I would love to have a CP-23! I like the diesel installation someone else has posted on this forum as well.
Please keep posting pictures, and check out my project when you get a chance.
Thank you for your service!
Robert
Finally got the boat home from the storage facility that it's been in for over 9 years. It helps that I live less than 1 hour from Hutchins, so I'll be over there a lot to buy new parts. Time to really kick it into high gear!
Ahoy!
She's coming along nicely and you are certainly giving her a new lease on life! Myself, I own a 1985 mark 2 but I think the mark 3's are the best! I've had ideas about a structural C-shaped bulkhead that would allow full access along one side and still transfer the deck and mast loads down to the keel. Coming from a construction background, I know about point loads and such.
Best to you!
Bob23
Quote from: Tim Gardner on November 18, 2020, 03:14:43 AM
Wow, did you see the brass shine on those ports? How cool to have the original construction photos. You must have one of the first 23s to have the bow sprit.
Can't wait to see the re-finished product.
TG
Hey Tim, Hope y'all had a great Thanksgiving! Just for the record the bowsprit was first added in 1984. I believe it was he Mk2 model while the oval ports along with a diesel option began with the Mk3 models around 1989ish. Currently they are in the Mk4 models. 'No Mas' had both the oval ports and diesel and was/is a 1990.
Hey Pal, you sold that vessel. You haven't .... well you haven"t.
Quote from: Tim Gardner on December 10, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Hey Pal, you sold that vessel. You haven't .... well you haven"t.
Long gone to New England 4 years ago. Unless her name was changed, which the new owner was not inclined to do given her history and her time on the Great Lakes, then the West Coast down to Baja, then the Gulf, next here on the Chesapeake and lastly to New England, she 'is' still Nlo Mas, thus why i still refer to her in the present!
Today, the inside got power washed. It was pretty messy.
The boat is almost completely deconstructed. We are going with Alexseal fairing compound, primer and paint. Hull, decks and cabin are sanded and fairing is done. Snow White top and Flag Blue hull. This is the first time I'm painting a boat of any kind... might as well go with the most difficult color to put on a hull! LOL I wanted a light color but the boss (wife) wanted dark blue. You can see how that worked out. But, if I keep her happy and she thinks the boat is "pretty," I'll have the green light to do almost anything with it.
Fiberglass repairs, portholes and stuff taken off the boat.
Well Colonel, what a fine mess you have.
TG
Indeed Tim. A fine mess but the results will be worth it. I've never done anything like this before... learning as I go along.
Started with paint and primer. Alexseal all around.
New paint.
First coat of three coats of paint total. Second coat directly over the first coat within 12-24 hours. Let cure. Sand and apply third coat. Color sand, buff and cut if necessary.
My reflection on the second coat of paint. Sand with 320 or 400 grit, then third and final coat. Looks pretty good!
Lookin' real good! And we all appreciate your offer to paint all of the administrator boats, of course when you're is done. Thank you- what a guy! My 23 should be arriving just after the final coat on your boat dries. High gloss black, please!
Bob23
I have to say that the Florida sales rep for Alexseal, Miguel, has been terrific with any questions I've had. Great company with great products. I've never painted a boat before... but I watched a lot of Andy at Boatworks Today's YouTube videos. For any of you contemplating something like this, you should check him out. Bob, you may want to hold off... I could still screw this paint job up! LOL
Photos after first full coat of paint. 2 more to go... at least!
One more! Another coat tomorrow and I'll let it cure a week. Then sand with 400 grit and at least one more coat over that. When fully cured, I'll cut with 2000 grit, compound and polish. Should look good.
Really looks good. Is the paint a single part or two part catalyzed polyurethane? Did you spray it or roll and tip? I've done a couple of paint jobs on trucks and boats using Dupont Imron (now priced out of reach with clear coats required) and Interlux Perfection Plus, but I've always sprayed.
Two-part polyurethane paint by Alexseal. I used their primer, topside paint and their new rolling additive. No need to tip. Just roll on. Two coats one on top of the other within 24 hours. Let cure then sand with 400 grit sandpaper. Then roll on the third and final coat. Stand back and smile.
Very nice, I may try that when the need arises. My spray jobs have all come out beautiful, and spraying is a lot quicker except for the prep and overspray protection, but there is a much greater chance of a mid job crisis if you carry over some water or you get a momentary CFM drop. I think a lot less worry with a roll product. Special roller covers?
What color will you paint the cabinside and decks? Is there a non skid product you'll use? The factory Compac non skid works great and on my 1985 23/2, it's still holding up well and hasn't lost it's non skid properties.
She's gonna be a real head turner when she's done! Great job!
Bob23
I'm using Red Tree 4 inch mohair rollers. The decks, cockpit and cabin will be "Snow White." She will have red antifouling paint down below. White boot stripe. The non skid will be light blue Kiwi Grip.
Very nice colors!! While it's a shame to cover the factory Compac non skid, Kiwi Grip is an amazing product. A friend has had it on his Morgan 30 for 5 or 6 years now and it hasn't worn down a bit. Very grippy!!
Bob23
More sanding then we rolled the third coat of "Flag Blue" paint. Tomorrow, I'll roll the fourth and final coat. It's really starting to look pretty good. It'll get red bottom paint and "Snow White" up top and on the decks.
Alexseal two-part polyurethane paint dries beautifully.
Another shot showing the nice reflections on the paint as it flows out.
Hi Pat.
She's looking grand! So after the deck and cabin are painted, you'll be reseating the stanchions, bow and stern rails as well as all of the teak. May I suggest using white butyl tape? It seals perfectly and if anything needs to be removed in the future, it won't cause you grief like caulks will. Just my 2 cents from someone who's been there.
Bob23
Beautiful job, very impressed!
I?m a butyl tape convert, it works!
Thanks for the suggestions on butyl tape. From what I've seen, it's the only way to go. When I took the front hatch off, it had obviously been bedded with 5200 because it didn't come off easily and when it did, it took some fiberglass with it!
Yes, Butyl tape is definitely the way to go. Make sure the screw holes in the fiberglass are chamfered a bit on the outside to allow some room for the butyl to compress into to form a good seal that will remain flexible. This also prevents cracking around the fasteners.
Good info on butyl tape
https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/
Since EVERYTHING has been stripped off the boat, I'll have a chance to re-bed using butyl as we reassemble. Thanks for the advice.
Well, we've rolled Alexseal primer and "Snow White" topside paint. I'm very pleased with the result. I plan to color-sand and buff the whole boat when it all cures.
Cabin top where mast sits was repaired with 4 layers of cloth and epoxy. With the fairing compound, primer and paint, it looks pretty good. We also damaged the fiberglass removing the front hatch (damn 5200!), so I repaired that as well.
I had a little oops... When backing the boat on the trailer into my driveway, I miss-judged the distance and caused myself an extra fiberglass repair...$@*&^!!! Hit the garage. This will be covered by the new rub rail.
Quote from: USMCR O-5 on April 14, 2021, 06:00:18 PM
Well, we've rolled Alexseal primer and "Snow White" topside paint. I'm very please with the result. I plan to color-sand and buff the whole boat when it all cures.
Beautiful work, although technically "topsides" does not equal the deck. The topsides are those areas of the side of the hull above the waterline.
Ranae, the company that makes it, Alexseal, calls it topside paint. I used that word in conjunction with primer just to show that I used both. I will be moving on to red bottom paint as soon as I color-sand, cut and buff the Flag Blue hull and add a white boot stripe.
I'm going with the suggestions above on butyl tape. I've ordered white butyl tape that should arrive on Sunday. It's time to start putting this back together and at least make it weather tight. Interior after that.
Quote from: USMCR O-5 on April 15, 2021, 11:12:17 PM
Ranae, the company that makes it, Alexseal, calls it topside paint. I used that word in conjunction with primer just to show that I used both. I will be moving on to red bottom paint as soon as I color-sand, cut and buff the Flag Blue hull and add a white boot stripe.
At that point, your deck will be white, your topsides Flag Blue and your bottom red. Your craftsmanship looks excellent.
Thanks! It's been a lot of work. The Florida rep for Alexseal has been a tremendous help. He gave me his cell phone number and answers text questions all the time.
Well, after looking at what was a pretty good paint job done in my driveway, I was given access to an air conditioned garage for a few weeks and I'm going for a "perfect" paint job. More sanding...
Got another coat of paint on last night.
The paint dried quite well. I also painted the boot stripe today.
Looks Great. Mines next on your list ;<)
That is a fantastic paint job. Thanks for keeping us up to date. Do you have a projected launch date yet?
The interior is still an empty shell so we'll turn to that next. I hope to have her in the water in the next 6-12 months.
That will be interesting, particularly if you don't follow the factory layout.
While the factory layout is good, I plan to improve on it a bit using marine plywood and epoxy with a slightly different plan.
Now on to the trailer! 33-year-old Magic Tilt that I got with no brakes. Completely original with springs that broke as I took them out. One axle, all four springs, all four hubs and bearing sets, brakes, brake lines and a new surge coupler at the front. Now I'm road legal and wouldn't hesitate to take this on a very long trip... several are anticipated.
More photos
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Last photo
Boat now has boot stripe and name done. Work starts on the interior.
Looks great, can't wait to see it finished. Are you going with the design bulkhead, mast support between the cabins or something custom?
Still trying to figure out what I want to do inside. Structurally, I need to get these glassed in place and take it from there.
IMHO, at this point you might want to consider turning her into a 23-PH
TG
I briefly entertained the idea of turning her into a trawler, but decided against it. I'm going to keep it as original as possible, but improve on the interior a bit. I also plan to power her with an electric inboard in the not too distant future, but that will have to wait. You learn a lot about a boat when you take them apart. When done, my hands will have touched every part of the boat.
More work on buffing the paint, putting things back on the boat, and servicing the winches. She goes back together!
man and i thought restoring a 52 ford truck was tough. what great work you have done. wonderful boat
Quote from: USMCR O-5 on January 23, 2022, 07:12:24 PM
Now on to the trailer! 33-year-old Magic Tilt that I got with no brakes. Completely original with springs that broke as I took them out. One axle, all four springs, all four hubs and bearing sets, brakes, brake lines and a new surge coupler at the front. Now I'm road legal and wouldn't hesitate to take this on a very long trip... several are anticipated.
Great choice on using disc brakes. I paid extra to add disc brakes on my Eclipse trailer when I bought it and also converted my travel trailer to electric over hydraulic disc brakes. There's a night and day difference from the drum brakes and I will NEVER again own a trailer with drum brakes.
Fred
Hardware going back on to include stern rail, cleats, winches and chainplates. We also started to apply Kiwi Grip, starting on the cabin roof. In order to put the rest of the hardware on the roof, the Kiwi Grip needed to go on first. VERY easy to use and hides "a multitude of sins" underneath!
More photos. Every part on the boat will be replaced or refurbished. I'm re-using everything I can from when the boat was built over 30 years ago. Some thing were too far gone.
Bowsprit with about 5 coats of varnish on it. And the companionway hatch with new paint and Kiwi Grip non-skid. Coming along!
Wood going back on. Teak and mahogany.
The main and genoa for my 1993 Compac 23/3 sat in my attic for over 10 years and were pretty tired. I sent them to Sailcare and they came back in about 4 weeks. The process was good and they communicated well. I feel like I got back brand new sails! A new reef point was added to the main, various rips were repaired, re-stitching done on both sails, all mainsail slugs were replaced and the sunstripe on the jib was replaced with Navy Blue to go better with my Flag Blue hull. All this for $649.97 USD.
https://sailcare.com/
A few more photos.
Beautiful work on the exterior.👏