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Com-Pac Model Specific Discussions => Sun Cats and Sunday Cats => Topic started by: mikehennessy on February 11, 2019, 12:07:54 AM

Title: Positive flotation
Post by: mikehennessy on February 11, 2019, 12:07:54 AM
Greetings all - was wondering if people use positive flotation for their Sunday or Sun cats?  If so, what works best?

-Mike
Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Finbar Beagle on February 11, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Mike, not sure this helps, but I do in my picnic cat.   I use tubes from Optimist, some pool noodles, and a few bumpers.  The PC is a lot lighter than the Suncat.

I jammed some opti tubes in my CP 19. Not sure if they would help, but figured it would not hurt.

Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Andre on February 11, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Same as Finbar, I use Optimist flotation bags in my PC.  I can't imagine using them in my HC, though, ha, ha!  It's even heavier at about 2,500-3,000 lbs.

These were the cheapest I'd found.  I bought 6 and have used 4 for 7 years now and they've held up fine so the other 2 are spares.  Each one provides about 100 lbs of buoyancy.

http://www.intensitysails.com/flbaforop.html

Andre

Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Vipersdad on February 12, 2019, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: Andre on February 11, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Same as Finbar, I use Optimist flotation bags in my PC.  I can't imagine using them in my HC, though, ha, ha!  It's even heavier at about 2,500-3,000 lbs.

These were the cheapest I'd found.  I bought 6 and have used 4 for 7 years now and they've held up fine so the other 2 are spares.  Each one provides about 100 lbs of buoyancy.

http://www.intensitysails.com/flbaforop.html

Andre

What is size of the bags.  My 19 weighs roughly 2,000 lbs. and if I add outboard, anchors, line, canned goods, camp stove, etc., I might have an additional 300 or more pounds.  Can you stuff 23 bags in the cabin?
Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Andre on February 12, 2019, 06:24:14 PM
I imagine that you could, but I really don't think it's a practical solution to put it mildly.  Far better to keep a keelboat with a cabin free of water and upright!

Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Vipersdad on February 12, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
I agree.  Part of sailing safe is having your hatches secure.

V.
Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Bob23 on February 13, 2019, 05:42:11 AM
Best to keep the waterline on the outside of the boat! Don't ask how I know this.
Bob23
Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: Zephyros on February 22, 2019, 08:55:01 AM
Quote from: mikehennessy on February 11, 2019, 12:07:54 AM
Greetings all - was wondering if people use positive flotation for their Sunday or Sun cats?  If so, what works best?
-Mike

Not yet, but I have thought about it, the amount of positive buoyancy is not equal to the weight of the boat, equipment and people, it a percent of the weight required to keep the boat afloat, but doing the correct calculations are a little tricky and take time, a few links to get you started:

https://goneoutdoors.com/calculate-buoyancy-small-boat-8056787.html

https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/buoyancy-and-floatation-calcs.17717/

US Coastguard, see last link:
Subpart F, Subpart G, & Subpart H — Flotation Requirements
PDF version (1.02 MB)
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/builders-handbook-downloads.php

calculate amount of positive buoyancy for boat
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&ei=TvhvXL6ZJYiUsgXOr7qYAQ&q=calculate+amount+of+positive+buoyancy+for+boat&oq=calculate+amount+of+positive+buoyancy+for+boat&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i299j33i160.285262.287692..287875...0.0..0.350.2083.0j1j4j3......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i39.xHUL_ouELDw
Title: Re: Positive flotation
Post by: kickingbug1 on February 23, 2019, 12:30:06 PM
   im guessing that if the cabin is filled with water shes going to the bottom. ive been told that my capri 18 has positive floatation. im not buying it. when I get into a good blow the hatches are buttoned down.