Hi Everyone,
Just saw this 16 pop up on Craigslist in Springfield, VA. Here is the Craigslist ad. It needs some work but if the hull and trailer are ingood shape it might be a good deal. https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/boa/d/compac-16-sailboat-and-trailer/6397220141.html
Talk about priced to sell, what a price. If I didn't already have one, I'd be really tempted--looks like a great deal.
I'm always so surprised people don't add more pictures, it helps things sell easily, but at the low baller price, maybe he is hiding something and showing the "good side"
Seems like a great price for a fixer upper that has all the pieces. Thats what I paid for my boat with a working engine, although I did have to get some new blocks and all new lines. My 16's P.O. never actually sailed it or put the mast on it, he used it to go fishing in the freshwater canals, luckily all the sails and standing rigging were still in his back yard laying in the dirt. For a motivated person who has spare time and know-how, this could make for a cheap, fun boat or a good flip sale . The prices for nice, in-tact Compacs is going up and up...
MUST HAVE TITLES!! MUST HAVE TITLES!! MUST!!!
Quote from: Bob23 on November 26, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
MUST HAVE TITLES!! MUST HAVE TITLES!! MUST!!!
Bob, ad says clean title for boat, just missing one for trailer. DMV in Va. is pretty good about getting a replacement title. Worst case scenario the current owner will need to get it then sign it over to you. Declare the trailer worth $100 and it's a no brainer.
MUST HAVE CASH!! MUST HAVE CASH !!.........oh that's right you now are one boat down and one chunk of change up! I don't really think you want one....or you would just go get it and be done with this!!!!! :)
In NJ, not having a trailer title or registration is a nightmare! Just went through it...tool only 7 trips to DMV to finally get it titled and registered in my name. The trailer issue is a deal breaker for me...otherwise I'd be driving south right now.
Quote from: Bob23 on November 26, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
In NJ, not having a trailer title or registration is a nightmare! Just went through it...tool only 7 trips to DMV to finally get it titled and registered in my name. The trailer issue is a deal breaker for me...otherwise I'd be driving south right now.
Hmmm...all it takes is a phone call to the owner saying get the title and I'll be down. They are well advised to do it to sell her anyway, though truth be told i never, nor did the previous owner of No Mas ever title the trailer. She was sold with the Colorado plates that were over 10 years old, the same plates that i drove her from Mobile Alabama with. The new owner that bought her from me had no problem getting a new title with the bill of sale that contained the VIN number. He drove from New Hampshire with the new plates in hand and it already registered in his name. Nothing stands between you and that lil 16 other than will power!!!!
I've emailed the owner and waiting for a reply. I have no idea about how things work in other states but in NJ (land of lazy public servants and endless red tape) not having an original registration is a nightmare. We'll see what he has to say. I could be a 16 owner by the weekend. If I buy it, I'm gonna strip it down to race mode so look out!!
Ah....race mode! We had had ours up to almost 70mph for a bit before backing off to cruising speed about 55! She can hold her own on the road. :)
Now.....as far as sailing....with Pedro now in possession of a sailboat again and the possibility of a 16 in your stable, CBMSG 3.0 could possibly involve a regatta! Meanwhile be sure to bring pics to CBMWG 3.0 to share. Our lil 16 is now sitting contently back up by our mountains waiting for spring. Heading to Interlude to finish her winterizing and then it is time to go find snow! The Whitegrass, Jack Frost Party (probably one of the best parties ever conceived), is this coming weekend and we will be there! Always a 50/50 shot at actually getting some x-country skiing in, though we go for the gathering regardless.
oops, need more coffee, thread drift alert! Good luck on the boat, those 16's seem to be creeping up in price.
There...back on topic.
Yeah, I'd be more worried about the trailer bearings or tires, than the title. 7 trips to the DMV, however painful, are probably easier and quicker than cleaning, painting, and polishing the hull (you did say racing mode, right?).
Definitely agree could be a great investment, if only I had more time.
Bob, we bought a new trailer for a 17 ft. Scout last fall for $650 at Franklin Trailers in Berlin. Think it's a 1500lb capacity. I'm sure the bunk modifications couldn't be more than $200. No title worries, and the resale value after your "race mode" modification will surely cover the added cost.
Not all NJ public servants are lazy, just the one sailing a CP19 out of Great Bay:0!
R - M , If you're trailer sailing a 19 you're not lazy. Your perfectly timed comment to bob23 sure dampened his stockings. If the trailer was ever titled in VA, he can get a copy easily.
All I hear from bob23 is excuses for not getting a 16. (Probably doesn't have the required acquisition chit from the Admiral and is afraid to tell us, Hmmmm bob???)
FMSWLMAO, TG
Too far for me which is probably a good thing. I've been kinda looking for one to make into a mini trawler.
When I bought my 23 and went to the tag office to register the trailer, all they wanted to know is how many axles. In Mississippi, the land of the good old boys, titles on trailers are optional. When I had the MDWFP agent come out to inspect my Bateau Skiff I asked if he wanted to see my plans. No, they really only do a physical inspection when they assign numbers to lost titles and home builts to look for stolen boats. But he said it was a beautiful boat and he would not put the VIN number on the stern as is normal, but I could do it in his presence so I could get it on perfectly straight.
Maybe in progressive New Joisy, stolen trailers are a big problem.:)
Ok all, we should not give Bob too much grief, though some may be in order. I know he has the change, one boat down so easier to fill that spot, good deal (it appears), title can bet dealt with, thinking there is just not enough want!!!!
Can always wait for another, but in the 6 months we looked for one i found out the prices are slowly increasing and those well cared for carry a premium that will still be less expensive than a major project. That is true of ALL boats (unless one places no value on their time!)
Shall we start a betting pool on this one? A six of PBR to Bob if he gets it, a six of beer of my choice if he does not. What say you
Bob? Hmmm....can taste that beer already! :)
one thing i know for sure----two "ifs". if bob gets the boat and if bob makes it to CLR 2018. i have never seen a "race" series com-pac 16. Ill take that back. with Matt at the helm every 16 is a "race" series boat. next july might just be interesting
I'm actually looking at an AMF Sunbird. Anyone know anything about these? Same price as the 16, has all titles, nice trailer, no motor (heck, I can row this) and close to home.
I wouldn't stand a chance against Matt if I were in a 16! I've seen him sail...the 16 master!!
The Sunbird is a centerboard boat (old guys have a hard time righting them) and the cabin is definitely not for overnights. A 16 has a nice keel that rights the boat and can be overnight-ed. If they are the same money, the 16 is a far better boat.
Thanks, TG. I know the two boats are not comparable but this has clear titles, is within 5 miles of my house and is beachable. I'd love to have something that I can trailer sail and explore with. Plus this summer whilst out on Koinoina, I caught up with one and it was no slouch! We'll see how this goes. Gotta have something to tow out to CLR!!
ah but that conjures up memories of "Texas Doug". a sailor of great skill and courage (he says). Doug is not a mythical figure but a real (real gone) living person. tales have been written about the brave men who have helmed sailboats but none compares to Texas Doug. Clr sailors were regaled with hes feats of helmsmanship. i don't think that anyone present at the clr shared Doug's passion for boxed wine at Carlyle lake temperature. Very few of us have seen a AMF sunbird much less one that was manned by such an unforgettable character.
Bob,
I had a Siren 17 and to me she wasn't heavy enough to handle the bay chop and puffy winds. That said, I didn't (and still don't) know what I'm really doing so keep that in mind. The one thing I did love was being low to the water.
Being a former Seapearl 21 owner, light weight does not concern me. I'm just looking for another boat that I can trailer around. A 16 would be nice but this little Sunbird just caught my eye!
Kick: I vaguely remember the name Texas Doug. Thanks for the flashback!!
anyone who has ever met the notorious "Texas Doug" wouldn't say they vaguely remember him. I think there was an old story about him in the old reader's digest. and i think he was pictured in a documentary about woodstock.
Quote from: Bob23 on November 28, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
Thanks, TG. I know the two boats are not comparable but this has clear titles, is within 5 miles of my house and is beachable. I'd love to have something that I can trailer sail and explore with. Plus this summer whilst out on Koinoina, I caught up with one and it was no slouch! We'll see how this goes. Gotta have something to tow out to CLR!!
So.....i almost always run the 16 up to the beach. No centerboard to jam. It sails just like a 23 cept smaller. Same hull with all of it's beautiful compound curves. After sailing with a friend decades ago on his center board boat and had his board jam in the down position so we could not recover it, i swore i would never own a boat with a moving part that can jam like that.
We are done for the season. Jack Frost here we come!!!!!
Like Reighnman, my Siern 17, was a easytow. Most boat weight was in the centerboard keel, and very un compact 19 like, she heeled over on a fart of air. But as hard as I tried, and once lost mast in high winds, she never went over.
I still have her North Sails. Bob if you get the Sunbird, these probably can work, and there's a lot of life left in them. if you promise not to give me a PBR, they can be yours...
Brian: This is an incentive, thanks! Not sure which way I'm going on this as there are many 16's out there. But this little Sunbird look appealing to me plus it's in my budget.
Ok my thoughts on this quandary Bob is experiencing between the AMF and the CP16
If you want an easy to trailer and rig boat either will suffice
As far as beaching something you are looking a 12 vs 18 inch draft, with no moving parts on the CP16.
Ability to overnight is clearly better on the CP16 but could shoehorn your way into the AMF
Ability to stand up to wind and waves would give a clear nod to the CP16 (Like the 23 she won't pound either)
the total displacement on the AMF is the amount in the keel of the CP16
Ability to get parts and have a responsive company it appears the CP16 is the choice (have never dealt with AMF but hasn't been built since 1981)
Ability to sell it if wished and recover funds spent-can only speak to the CP16's which are now selling used, if well maintained, what they were new.
Beauty is clearly in the eyes of the beholder, but my eyes don't see the same classic lines on the AMF as the CP16 has.
Convenience gives the nod to he AMF as close by, but then again 7-11's are convenient but i don't do my shopping there.
Hope this helps. I have my six of beer already picked out and know where i can get PBR on sale in case you do get the CP16. :)
Update: the Craigslist ad has expired.
Ahh...the wisdom of Mas is undisputable! Good points all, very good points and I'll take 'em all into consideration.
Final decision has been reached. No CP 16, no Sunbird. Rather I'll concentrate on my 23 and the infamous Adirondack Guideboat "Straggler".
what happened did you get rid of the p 15?
Yup. Sold and delivered to PeterG.