Folks,
I made the mistake of paying attention to Bob23 while barside. We discussed the value of finding a CP-16 to have a easily towable boat. I have this now, with a Bauer 12, but see need for cabin, and I think I am done with centerboard issues.
I took a look at a very sad CP 16-1 in Quakerstown PA. It is listed in Boat trader online. Boat photos were promising, but a lot of delamization, cement exposed on keel, and trailer concerns, made it too much of a project boat for me. However, boatyard is willing to look at low ball offers just to move it out of yard. May be good fit for hobby shipwrights.
There is another in southern NJ, Comp Time, that is at other end of spectrum. This can be found on sailboat listings, online. $6,000 is a bit scary, but boat has a lot of upgrades, and maybe there is room to negotiate, but I do not want to offend the owner by offering what my budget can afford. I think if I pass on motor, and owner wants to sell, I may be in striking distance.
Does anyone know "Comp time"?
Is anyone thinking of letting their CP 16-2 go, or maybe trading for a 2002 Bauer 12, in great shape with excellent trailer?
Thanks,
Brian
Brian, you are just now learning what my wife learned long ago: never listen to me!
I too am on the lookout for an older 16 who is looking for a new home. Won't be the end of the world if I don't find one and there are lots of other boats out there. Really, a Melonseed Skiff tugs at my heartstrings but if I bring another boat home, ya'll will be attending my funeral!!
Seems to me 6g's for any 16 is a lot but I'm really not up to speed on pricing.
Bob,
It looks like the later models in good shape are selling $4-4,500. Project boats, and some first generation are $1,500 +. Condition is key variable.
I too am in no hurry, but have decided to sell Bauer 12. You know how it works, I need to have next boat ready so wife (admiral) does not decide we can survive with 1 less boat. Plus, it is easier to do while she is stAtioned in Georgia, and she comes home to a done deal, especially if I keep boat under tarp until spring. It is difficult being married, and the game is more challenging the more you play.
Smart move, Brian. So....I need to send my wife away, is what you're saying. Got it!
I'll only buy a 16 if I can steal one.
Hey Brian, there is a 16 in Nova for 1,500. check out the for Sail by Owner listings. The 87' 16 up in NJ for 6K has been on the market for almost a year. Make an offer. We have had both a Mk1 and the Mk 2 version and personally i would go for the Mk2. The sailing characteristics are frankly better and the interior is a nice upgrade.
In the scheme of things an extra thousand for a boat that is a no project boat that has all the features you wish is preferable to me than an el cheapo version with work to be done (it is ALWAYS LESS EXPENSIVE TO LET A PREVIOUS OWNER DO THE WORK) and a design that is less desirable, or at least in my way of thinking! It was far easier to sell Susan on the idea of another boat when it looks great. Even an extra 2k only comes out to the cost of a pizza and beer once a month for the next 4 years (not that we would ever consider giving that up!)
I also really liked the Mk2 and did not like some of the changes for the Mk3.
Just my 2 cents worth. :)
Oh.....and as far as Bob goes.......I'm still working on getting him in trouble!
Rick, looks like we are agreed. I have tried to contact the $6,000 cp-16-2 in Bob's part of NJ, phone was not correct and no response yet from email. I think it may be owner is not real interested in selling.
That boat was a beauty with the wood cabin accents, same as my 19.
Not sure if little hatch is functional on the CP 16-3.
No urgency to the search, but wanted to shake the CPYOA tree.
I suspect Bob does not need help in getting in trouble, it is probably the getting caught part.
All good, and watching the CBMWG dates...
Rick,
"Edelweiss" in Mayo, MD, does fit the bill. Just my luck to be in Annapolis last week, day before ad was posted. Looking to see when I can drive down to check her out.
It also helps that the name is wife (admiral's) favorite song from Sound of Music. May help with the associated need to rationalize another boat....
Hey Brian, the hatch is a mixed blessing as the scoop on earlier models provides 24/7 ventilation but less at any given time than a hatch open, also the scoop is better if raining than a hatch which must be closed. Frankly we don't spend the night aboard the 16 much with Interlude in our lives. The change I dislike the most is the replacement of the rear lazarette with the less useful arrangement of the MK3.
The 16 is still a timeless design that will always provide a great sailing platform regardless of model. A different sail from the 19, more like the 23, so be prepared for the difference.
Luv to have ya at CBMWG!
Heading down tomorrow to look over "Edelweiss" at Grab Bag, Mayo MD.
Not quite sure how it will end...asking price is high $4,500...
Quote from: Finbar Beagle on October 13, 2017, 07:22:01 PM
Heading down tomorrow to look over "Edelweiss" at Grab Bag, Mayo MD.
Not quite sure how it will end...asking price is high $4,500...
Good luck with everything. Fall is a good time to negotiate as winter is just around the corner.
On a remotely different subject, there is an unwanted Cape Dory Typhoon that's caught me eye, mates. But nary a word to either Koinonia or the Admiral.
Have a fun drive today, Brian. Keep us posted.
Quote from: Bob23 on October 14, 2017, 05:16:59 AM
On a remotely different subject, there is an unwanted Cape Dory Typhoon that's caught me eye, mates. But nary a word to either Koinonia or the Admiral.
Have a fun drive today, Brian. Keep us posted.
Brian, you may have noticed the price of the 16's has been on the creep up but if well founded you will have a nice example of one if Edelweiss comes into your life.
Bob, Typhoons are the most successful design ever done by Cape Dory. They are not particularly trailerable and easy to launch my friend, more draft than the 23 and not tons lighter if an easy to transport boat is the goal. They do have a very active owners association and a fleet of them ply the waters near us. Do watch for soft topsides as that was a particularly common problem. Don't worry won't say a thing, but if caught, and i remember correctly from TG, Pansies were gunna be the flower of choice for the funeral.
Headin down to boat for the week to celebrate the crazy decision to get back into sailing two years ago on October 20th. It also just happens to be our anniversary. 38 years, and she still wonders about me, but then again i wonder about myself!
Edelweiss, former "serenity", HIN abv02641f889, was in very good condition. Is was a mk-3 or XL, had forehatch and no lazzerate cockpit locker. Graig from Grab Bag was very knowledgeable on Com-PAC, and did not try to "over-sell".
She had some very good additions:, innovative oarlocks, and boom kicker.
I did not buy her.
She could be perfect boat for someone, but not for me.
My issues:
1- location- even though Maryland seems to have a good trailer safety inspection program, unlike NJ, I do not trust myself/Subaru/trailer to tow boat 3.5 hours on rt 95 for first trip. The drive down was great training for this decision. Her trailer looked very good, but it is my stress level I am concerned about. I could have her hauled on flatbed while on trailer....
2- roller furling jib- this usually would be a positive, but as I plan to trailer, it looked challenging to rig solo. Extra inch or 2 by being able to access turnbuckle would solve this.
3. It is a brokerage boat and price is firm. I was prepared for the asking price, but felt the boat was just a little shy (poor silicone job on vinyl rub rail, worn blocks on mainsheet...)
4. If I could not convince myself, I would not have chance of surviving wife's inquisition. It would not have gone well for me...
All good, learned much, and the Bauer 12 in her usual spot in my driveway, was looking kinda correct.
Brian,
I can hardly stand your -3' negativity. The Finbar Beagle is no more difficult to rig in a parking lot than a 16. But you might be better off clam-wise call Kieth at the Sailboat company to inquire about a mastender conversion for your 19.
Can your Subaru pull your 19 Now?
TG
My 19 empty, with trailer, is max tow load for Subaru. So I am not capable of currently towing her.
The Bauer 12 is only 500lbs. The rigging issue is the CDI Roller furling set up. You cannot access the fore stay turnbuckle to easily adjust, will need to push mast forward for slack, and second set of hands to put pin in turnbuckle.
The Bauer 12 has a different method, 2 pins are used at foot of mast, and when secure, You attach the forestry. Is is a Ginter rig, so mast is not too tall.
I am now looking closely at Picnic cat to stay 'in family'
Quote from: Finbar Beagle on October 08, 2017, 04:31:21 PM
Not sure if little hatch is functional on the CP 16-3.
My "Foundling" is a '93 CP16/3, and the hatch is indeed "functional" with a swell screw-adjustable arm, but it's strictly for ventilation unless you're maybe Plasticman. All the KY in the Galaxy wouldn't get me up on deck through that hatch. Still, it's handy for pulling up and easily stowing one of those little watt-and-a-half Harbor Freight solar panels to keep the battery in the bow happy. I just raise and lower it back into the cabin on rainy days by it's lead, which I leave looped over that hatch arm set screw.
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Bilge,
I agree, not enough grease to get my belly though my 19 hatch. But fully useful to drop pass thru to forward berth. On the 16, no big cushioned landing pad below. Stuffing a jib thru the opening looks challenging...vent seems to be answer, but cowl might be better option.
FOR SALE
I have a Compac 16. Been sailing in Shrewsbury River for 20 years. good condition, two sets of sails with CDI furling. Minn. electric motor 55 thrust. two 105 amp AGM batteries with solar panels to charge batteries. Trailer is registered and has new tires and LED lights. Calm if interested
Home Phone: 848-217-7325
Np,
Just got home, will call you tomorrow, thanks,
Brian
Soooooo. Did you buy it?
Quote from: K3v1n on December 21, 2017, 06:34:37 AM
Soooooo. Did you buy it?
Hmmm....thinkin you might snag it if not! :)
Eventually most folks will come around to the realization that a 16 is the perfect sized take anywhere, cheap to keep boat!
hate to bring this up but there are other options. catalina and hunter both make similar boats that may sail better. as much as I liked my com-pac 16 my catalina 18 would sail rings around that little 16. takes a bit more time to rig (maybe 10 minutes) but has gobs more room, is roomier and more comfortable and points higher and at 1500lbs not much heavier. my point, as good as com-pacs are there are other alternatives.
just kidding, buy the com-pac. unless youre 6'5' like me
I am home tonite if any one would like to inquiry about my compac 16.
848-217-7325
Nick Cammarano
Folks,
I just got off the phone with Nick. Sounds like a great guy. I will be seeing boat on Saturday.
If I get in trouble with wife, I will blame Kevin and Bob...
There is a chance I need a place to hide the boat from my wife, just until the time is right to tell her...or I may need a place to sleep...maybe both.
My 23 is available for a yet to be determined amount of cold PBR!
Boat!? ...What Boat!? :D
Quote from: kickingbug1 on December 21, 2017, 02:31:12 PM
hate to bring this up but there are other options. catalina and hunter both make similar boats that may sail better. as much as I liked my com-pac 16 my catalina 18 would sail rings around that little 16. takes a bit more time to rig (maybe 10 minutes) but has gobs more room, is roomier and more comfortable and points higher and at 1500lbs not much heavier. my point, as good as com-pacs are there are other alternatives.
The Capri 18 is indeed a great little boat! Catalina has always made a solid product for a fair price. Must admit I do like the appearance of the Compac better and a good comparison size wise would be the CP19 and the Capri 18. It is a solid boat though. This is the CPYOA so......guess we are allowed a little preference!
Good luck all in the search!
y ou are indeed right about the com-pac look. top of the list when I decided to get a bigger boat to replace my 16-1 was the com-pac eclipse. we sailed on one owned by a friend and we just loved it, but sadly couldn't find one we could afford. the cp19 was our second choice but again I couldn't find a "nice" one we could afford. the capri isn't much heavier than the cp16 at 1500lbs and is easier to rig than the cp19 and fits in the garage. she's not near as pretty as any com-pac but at 4 grand a bargain apologies to com-pac sailors who take exception to my post.
Snuck up to marina today. My sister once dated the marina owner in high school, and I never really never got over their breakup. I have had slip fees ever since...
The boat is a Cp-16 Mk1, hull#875, 1979, in real good condition for her age. Much better than I have kept myself.
Pros: condition, White hull with no name graphics on broadside, CDI furling jib, hayalards led to cleats on cabin top for cockpit access, very cool dual solar battery charger on companionway slide hatch top.
Hull looks good and no visual issues with keel. Fair asking price. Motor mount looks newer and solid.
Exterior teak was replaced by white "starboard", job looks well done, but need to check cabin interior.
Running and mast lights.
I did not go onboard, or look in the cabin, I will see with Nick tomorrow. Boat has 2 battery system, and an electric motor that I did not see, but may work well for my combustion engine incompetence.
Cons: Trailer will need work or replacement if long hauls are planned. some silicone around bow eye. Trailer (magic tilt) from Clearwater, FL, and may be Original. I think the tilt function may no longer be possible.
Conclusion, need to see more. Need to look up new trailer price. No warning flags yet.
If anyone wants to see boat on early Sat dec 23 morning, Near Long Branch NJ, let me know. I think Nick would be ok, and it sounds like he does want to sell boat to move to a larger size.
So, latest update, boat is in really good shape. Solid and dry in cabin. Berth top is reinforced with 1/4 panel, screwed on and solid. All other cabin wood looked original and in great shape, including hull liner (- cloth black/grey pattern, pleasant surprise as I expected the spartan white fiberglass, or the egg shell cloth liner), the plastic/vynyl cabin sole cover is in place, but is not solid to eel keel. It be to inspect bilge, but only a cosmetic very minor observation.
The backing plate on bow eye also looked good to me.
Sails crisp, Working Jib and 135 genoa were fitted for o CDI roller system. Main also was crisp. Sale would also include original main/jib, but expect these to have served there time.
Minimoto elecric motor looked very well cared for, and stored indoors.
The electrical system sets the boat well ahead of most I have seen. 2 battery ( one in stern locker, one nicely mounted before mast for balance), dual solar panels for charging, a/b selection, and accessory plug outlets, all very professionaly installed. Cabin and running lights, marine radio with masthead antenna, accessory outlets.
A very smart compass, level gauge, and hummingbird/garmin type mounting. The board sits on top of companionway hatch opening and held in place by top companionway hatch latch.
The trailer seems more solid, but still needs work or long or multi launch plans. Probable several more years as yardtrailer, or short run to , marina and back home, once per season.
The decision is no longer abut this specific boat, I think any of us would be pleased to own her.
I need to determine if this is right boat class for me.
Pro: stability, potti area privacy for admiral wife, shoal keel
Cons Bauer would need to be sold, but it is much easier to trailer and no current trailer concerns , need o tell wife eventually.
I will let Nick decision by End of year. He is very motivate to sell, but also very smart on current market for boat,