Hello all, figured I introduce my self.
I am the proud new owner of an 85 CP 16-2.
I just had her out in the water for the first time yesterday evening and she sailed great.
I also sail a laser but this was my first time sailing such a boat.
I know there are some other Colorado sailors peppered about on this forum, it would be nice to hear experiences from them. I have so far only sailed at Union Reservoir but want to branch out some more.
Anyways, just wanted to say hi. Maybe ill add some pictures in the near future.
Welcome! Not near you (New Hampshire) but have a CP16 ll as well and love it! Fact is, I joined this club thinking I might contact other owners in my area (pretty remote) but over the short time I have been a member, I find that I have made CP friends all over the globe.
Enjoy the CP 16 and the club
Welcome xuno...or do we call you gil!
I'm neither a Colordian (?) nor a 16 owner bit rather a native NJ boy who loves his 23! Welcome...please feel free to add to the mayhem here and tell us about your adventures! Never sailed a Laser but for a short time I owned a Force 5. Love those small boats.
Bob23 and "Koinoina" a 1985 23/2. Barnegat Bay, NJ
I'm in Colorado and have a 16 that I sail on the other side of the state at McPhee
Ken J
We're in Colorado and sail now (previously Dillon) on Aurora Resv. Welcome!
Jett
xuno_gil
welcome
wish we could do the CO thing
but PA has our hearts for now
so glad to hear your CP 16 'virgin' went well
as an '85, is there much restoration?
there are lots of great folks here and ideas abound
try the DIY and CP 16 forums for useful stuff
until then
sail well, happy breathing, and keep us up to date with your CP 16 adventures
murpheys
Welcome! Your Compac will see you through many hours of pleasure. You take care of her and she will do the same many times more.
Fair winds and point her to the horizon!
Welcome. Always room for another member. Especially another one from the western half of the continent. We're a bit outnumbered here so always welcome stories from somewhere closer by. Or anywhere really.
Congratulations on your boat. You are going to love it. Welcome to the CPYOA.
George
WELCOME!
i see this is your 1st post so i'll assume you're new to the compac family.
OH! speaking of family, the wife and i will be visiting our daughter in Northglenn august 15th to the 19th.
looking at the map, Union Reservoir is only a 1/2 hour drive north. i could bring our 15' sailboat (non compac) and if you're available, we could meet up for a day sail.
pm me if you're so inclined.
Oh, don't believe anything you hear about me on this site. they're all nuts, i'm the only sane one.
i have release papers from the institution to prove it!
c.c.
Thanks everyone for the welcome!
About my 85 CP 16, it is in relatively good shape, the previous owner took good care of it; although he did not sail it much, he had it on the water on some occasions so the boat was sail worthy. Despite it being a 16, it came equipped with the full lighting package, battery box with full wiring, stereo, cabin lighting, compass, dept gauge, and knot meter. I was looking for a well wounded weekender that I could use for a few weekends out in the water. As far as restoration goes, there will always be things I will want to upgrade or improve but the only thing that really needs attention is the bowsprit. Currently, the boats forestay is attached to the bow instead of the bowsprit because the bobstay seems to be too long. I am hoping the once I replace, or however address, the bobstay issue I can then make the bowsprit functional again. I also hope that I do not have to purchase a new forestay to move it up from where it is.
Any info anyone might have on this would be nice to hear. I understand that my bobstay should be 1 x 19, i do not know what the 1 is for but I am guessing the 19 means 19" long? Is the over all length to include turnbuckles?
JBC,
I have never sailed out on Aurora, how is it out there? I hope to branch out from Union Res, but it is where I also store the boat for the season so Union is just so easy right now.
Welcome as well! We have an 87' 16/2. Maybe post a pic of what you have going on and can at least steer you towards how ours is set up. Will try to remember to take a pic of her sprit this weekend.
fair winds,
Mas
xuno_gil
agree with MAS (more?)...let's see a close-up of the bowsprit
we have a 1996 CP 16cb and that bowsprit has a connection for the forestay and the headsail
so words are great, but what a picture can tell
88
murphey
Xuno_gil,
Aurora is quite nice (it's the city's water supply, so blue-green water and full most of the sailing season). Only electric motors, so no jet ski or motorboat traffic. It has a nice beach with picnic tables, etc., and paddleboard/kayak rentals. We store our boat there.
Noticed your bow sprit question. 1/19 is the diameter of the stainless wire and there is one turnbuckle on our bobstay (CP III). I would contact ComPac to discuss rerigging that and the forestay questions.
Jett
I believe a 1x19 wire cable would be the construction geometry, if you will. One bundle of 19 strands. As opposed to say a 7x19 cable which would be 7 bundles of 19 strands each, or 133 strands total. It's not related to size in that the wire strand dimension can vary.
Thanks for the correction on the stainless cable numbers. Did not know that!
Jett
Thanks all for the welcomes and the help.
I will start a new thread for the bowsprit issues, with pictures and all, to not change the theme of this post so much.
As promised here is a better picture of my new CP 16, I will add some more later to show the cabin layout and all the gadgets and such later.
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Great pictures. It looks to me like the forestay might reach the extended cable on the bowsprit. Only way to know is to secure the mast with a separate line to stay upright safely, or have someone hold the mast upright, remove the forestay from its current location on the bow, and see if it reaches the cable. If so, that's a step in answering your forestay length question (might involve adjusting the turnbuckle some).
When the forestay attaches to the sprit, it puts upward tension on it and the bobstay. That's probably why the bobstay is now slack. Perhaps you don't need a turnbuckle on that stay if the forestay fits and it can be adjusted.
One important thing. The wood on your bowsprit looks split (I had to replace mine). Lots of pressure on that piece when properly rigged, so make sure it is good and solid if you rig to it.
Hate to mention that sail configurations are different for older mk 1 boats and mk2+ models, so make sure you jib sets ok with new forestay placement.
Jett
Looks like the bow sprit was added by a previous owner. The bob stay would normally have a turnbuckle at each end to adjust tension. The tang where your bow is the same as older models.
Have you checked the HIN on the starboard side of the transom to see if the hull is a 1985? I think '85 was the year of adding the bow sprit and changing from aluminum to stainless on the bow pulpit.
Your stay, if made for the bow sprit, should reach the forward hole in the metal sprit frame while the sprit is in line with the shear of the fore deck. Seems you have the stainless pulpit and sprit.
My guess is your stay and your jib are made to fit the tang at the bow.
Maybe the previous owner can fill in the blanks.
Thanks for the help guys and yes I did look at the HIN and it ends with 85. I couldn't get the whole number as the swimming ladder was bolted on over it.
I will try repositioning the forestay and see what happens and yes I know I have to address that wood on the bowsprit, does anyone know a source for it?
Also, it would be helpful to see a picture of the anchor fastened on the bowsprit? I would like to see the setup, is the anchor just resting on the wheel and the rope cleated?
Bow Sprit
The anchor rests on the roller with a securing line from the stock to a small cleat on the pulpit. Keeps the bow cleat free.
The PVC is a sleeve over the forestay turnbuckle to avoid snagging on cotter keys.
The line and small block are for a jib downhaul.
Maybe you could repair the wood insert with liquid nails and reinforcing on the underside. If not, Hutchins is a source. The 2011 parts list had the insert @ $124. Matt at Hutchins can help ( 727-443-4408).
I think your hull looks quite good. Is there an issue at the front of the keel?
These are fine boats. Hope you will enjoy.
Don't know if the picture is reduced enough to pass!
carry-on, thank you so much for the picture and information, it will come in very handy when I try to get mine back in to operation. I think i will first try to repair the split piece of wood but it is good to know I can still purchase the piece if need be.
Well, since you brought it up I will now bring up the front of the keel. I noticed the issues with the front of the keel right away and was a little worried. Below are some pictures, what do you all think? Am I seeing exposed concrete or does it seem like just cosmetic scrapes from the trailer rollers? If the issue is exposed concrete, what can result from this and what is the best method of addressing the issue?
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that is just gel-coat chipping off.
you can purchase kits to repair this.
very simple to do.
good!
Not to contradict the advice from the most esteemable Crazy Carl, but the 2nd photo seems to show more than gel-coat damage. I'd get it repaired sooner than later because you don't want water intrusion into the concrete.
In other news, if you've been lurking around here for some time, you're probably aware that I'm in charge of collecting the $5000.00 membership fees. But I'm gonna make you an offer that you can't refuse: If you tell us your real name, I'll waive that fee! Is it xuno? How do we even say that? Or Gil? Is it Gil? Can we just call you Gil?? I'll wait to hear from you but I must tell you, my boys are ready to drive from NJ to Colorado to pay you a little visit, if you get my drift, so don't wait too long!!
Great pics, by the way. Love the Tanbark sails!
Bob23
My name? No way!
Where do I wire the $5k to?
No wire, cash only. My cousins Vito, Guido and Joey will stop by your place later this week. Make sure you're home...they get "disappointed" when they drive long distances for nothing. Ya don't want to get on their bad side.
xuno_gil
What Bob23 doesn't want known is that his "cousins" like coin even more then cash. Just toss a hand full of these down and they'll pounce so fast they won't even count 'em. Once the coin is gone they're easily convinced that you payed in full, of course.
https://www.justcandy.com/products/gv31928-fresch-milk-chocolate-coins-gold-foil (https://www.justcandy.com/products/gv31928-fresch-milk-chocolate-coins-gold-foil)
Cash only?
Hmm my printer is out of ink...
Kahn ho, thanks for the clarification, I went ahead and got 5K in coins but I been sitting here watching Tv and I just looked down and noticed I now only have $500 in coins left!
So cash it will have to be just have to fine some ink first. Bob23, what time are they getting here?
The guidance is the bowsprit should follow the lines of the rub rail when tensioned with the forestay. Since the rubrail is curving up at the bow, then the forestay should continue the line. If too high with the current fixed length bobstay, then suggest having a new bobstay with turnbuckle installed. I made the swap on my 23d.
Bob, After looking at this thread starters user name, I'd say he's an engineer, mechanical, works a a minor university in Boulder Colorado, and his friends call him "Zoo" as Xuno is probably his real first name.
Since this info is a SWAG, I'm gonna call him Zoo too.
Zoo, How's your truck running?
TG, the all knowing, all powerfull, Wizard of CPYOA
Which truck, with me and vehicles one has to be more specific.
Looking at the Bobstay- I note it - like mine- looks pretty slack. My slack stay bothered me when I first purchased Passing Wind. Thing is, how does it look under sail? That jib under pressure should tighten up that bob stay. The other consideration is; how tight do you want that stay when you are trying to attach that headstay to the bow pulpit? Its difficult enough to attach when the bob stay is loose.
Tim: Your powers of deductive reasoning are uncanny!
Glad to see more Colorado representation! I sail a 23 on Lake Granby and highly recommend the trip up when you can. There's a small fraction of the boats you'll see on Front Range lakes. I try to sail shoulder season weeknights and am often the only boat out.
I've seen one 16 on the lake. They didn't recognize mine as a Com-pac so probably not brand familiar.
I saw a Suncat last year stranded at anchor in the bay in front of the house during a gale. A power boat showed up and towed them back to the ramp.
Other than that I haven't seen another Com-pac on the lake. Pretty rare in these parts...mostly just bloat-boats.
Welcome.
Jim23, I have yet to visit Lake Granby but it is definitely on my list. When I go out there I might be curious if you would allow me to check out your 23, also curious about your thoughts and experiences on it. I am still debating on when or if to ever upgrade to a larger boat; the CP 23 would be one of the boats I would consider moving to.
You're welcome to check it out if you're up and I'm happy to share my thoughts on the boat.
I bought a 16 last November and the wood on the bowsprit was cracked in two also. I used three 3/8" stainless steel rods and a good thick epoxy to put it back together. On mine the wood was in good shape, no rot. I though of squaring up the two meeting surfaces with a plane. This would change the width of the wood so I just brushed it with a brass brush. The epoxy filled all the voids and once sanded, if the joint stands out too much, use some matching paint before you varnish. Mine looks great and I bet it never breaks again.
hope this helps a CO ComPac 16
realize he has the needed parts to continue
murphEY
Thanks a lot for those pics ameysails, they will definitely help a lot!
hi guys. i have a 2010 Legacy and also sail on Aurora reservoir. we will have to get together sometime. i just got back from a 1 week trip to lake Dillon. i posted my adventure
under the legacy forum.
ooo nice!
yes, us local com-pac people need to get together one of these day, if for no other reasons just so that I can look at all your boat to get ideas for mine.